A replacement for discontinued Shimano BR-M465
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A replacement for discontinued Shimano BR-M465
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Would you be able to recommend a disc calliper similar to Shimano Deore BR-M465 please?
That model is discontinued already. The model allows to adjust pads position on both sides.
Many thanksMarcin
Would you be able to recommend a disc calliper similar to Shimano Deore BR-M465 please?
That model is discontinued already. The model allows to adjust pads position on both sides.
Many thanksMarcin
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Economical: Avid BB7
Less economical: TRP Spyke
Stupidly expensive but oh so gorgeous!: Paul Klamper
All three have pad adjustment on both sides and all three have road versions. The Klampers can even be converted from long pull to short pull by changing the arm
Less economical: TRP Spyke
Stupidly expensive but oh so gorgeous!: Paul Klamper
All three have pad adjustment on both sides and all three have road versions. The Klampers can even be converted from long pull to short pull by changing the arm
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Thank you cyccommute, I've forgotten to mention the caliper is for MTB and not for road bike. I'm not completely sure but these three calipers mentioned look like they are road bike callipers?
Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?
Many thanks
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Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?
Many thanks
Marcin
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Thank you cyccommute, I've forgotten to mention the caliper is for MTB and not for road bike. I'm not completely sure but these three calipers mentioned look like they are road bike callipers?
Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?
Many thanks
Marcin
Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?
Many thanks
Marcin
For dual piston that would be the Spyke but Paul says their Klamper is better because it is a single piston design and trying to do two pistons would make a really huge brake. I can see what he is saying and I do generally love Paul components and use a bunch of them on different bikes but I am not sure if the single piston is better than the dual piston of the Spyre/Spyke but maybe one day I might get to try the Klampers long term.
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Thank you cyccommute, I've forgotten to mention the caliper is for MTB and not for road bike. I'm not completely sure but these three calipers mentioned look like they are road bike callipers?
Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?
Many thanks
Marcin
Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?
Many thanks
Marcin
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All of the calipers cyccommute listed are long pull which would generally be found on a mountain bike. The Paul Klamper is adjustable with different arms so you can use it for Short, Long or Campy pull and the BB7 has a mountain variety (the wrong one was linked initially) but like you see they have a road variant as well and the Spyke is mountain only, if you ever wanted road that is the Spyre.
For dual piston that would be the Spyke but Paul says their Klamper is better because it is a single piston design and trying to do two pistons would make a really huge brake. I can see what he is saying and I do generally love Paul components and use a bunch of them on different bikes but I am not sure if the single piston is better than the dual piston of the Spyre/Spyke but maybe one day I might get to try the Klampers long term.
For dual piston that would be the Spyke but Paul says their Klamper is better because it is a single piston design and trying to do two pistons would make a really huge brake. I can see what he is saying and I do generally love Paul components and use a bunch of them on different bikes but I am not sure if the single piston is better than the dual piston of the Spyre/Spyke but maybe one day I might get to try the Klampers long term.
The flip side is the bike internet loves spyres and they can’t all be wrong
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Thank you cyccommute, I've forgotten to mention the caliper is for MTB and not for road bike. I'm not completely sure but these three calipers mentioned look like they are road bike callipers?
Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?
Many thanks
Marcin
Would you know by aby chance of some MTB calipers with both sides pads adjustments?
Many thanks
Marcin
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I have Klampers on 3 bikes which I like but, honestly, I’m not sure they are vastly superior to Avid’s BB7. They look great and they work great but I’m not sure they perform nearly 3 times better ($100 vs $250 per caliper).
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Yeah pretty much I love my Spyres but I know plenty of folks who love their Klampers I wish I could build two bikes identically to try them out side by side but I think my next bike with disc brakes is going to be again hydraulic.
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While I'd agree with you that klampers may not be worth 3x the cost, I'd have difficulty trusting BB7s with some riding.
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I have a bike with Klampers and BB7 as well. The klampers I trust more on steep technical downhills and don't feel the same security on the BB7. Although, the bikes are rather different.
While I'd agree with you that klampers may not be worth 3x the cost, I'd have difficulty trusting BB7s with some riding.
While I'd agree with you that klampers may not be worth 3x the cost, I'd have difficulty trusting BB7s with some riding.
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I haven't had the BB7 fail me either, but the stopping power feels stronger with my Klampers and I am more confident with them. Just not 3x as stronger.
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Juin Tech M1 or Motoko MTB are cable actuated hydraulic brakes for MTB. Not exactly cheap, but more or less do what you asked for: the two pads can extend by a different amount.
Make sense for road levers (I think it was katsup whose post prompted me to upgrade to Juin Tech R1), for MTB you can probably just go full hydraulic.
Since we are mentioning Klampers, it probably makes sense to mention Juin Tech M1 as well
Make sense for road levers (I think it was katsup whose post prompted me to upgrade to Juin Tech R1), for MTB you can probably just go full hydraulic.
Since we are mentioning Klampers, it probably makes sense to mention Juin Tech M1 as well
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Juin Tech M1 or Motoko MTB are cable actuated hydraulic brakes for MTB. Not exactly cheap, but more or less do what you asked for: the two pads can extend by a different amount.
Make sense for road levers (I think it was katsup whose post prompted me to upgrade to Juin Tech R1), for MTB you can probably just go full hydraulic.
Since we are mentioning Klampers, it probably makes sense to mention Juin Tech M1 as well
Make sense for road levers (I think it was katsup whose post prompted me to upgrade to Juin Tech R1), for MTB you can probably just go full hydraulic.
Since we are mentioning Klampers, it probably makes sense to mention Juin Tech M1 as well
Another option that is rather new is from Growtac, which got good reviews, but are also expensive. Pass Less Pedaled did a video comparing them to Klamper and Juin Tech (Yokozuna), but his verdict was basically all are good.
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I have installed and used the Spyre, BB7, Tektro, Shimano, etc. etc. etc. The mechanical brakes seem to preform much the same, provided one sticks with a known quality brand such as Avid, Spyre, Shimano, etal, and not the low end junk from Formula and others like them. As for adjustment, the BB7 is likely the easiest to adjust, however the two sided action of brakes like the Spyre makes for quick adjustment as well.
Only one complaint about Spyre brakes has been already mentioned. The 2.5mm pad adjuster. Does not instill confidence at all, and cannot be ham-fisted in any manner. If you ride in foul environments on a full-time basis, that 2.5mm adjuster can become a problem due to corrosion. Discovered this on my son's commuter bike, and for this reason I have a set of BB7's sitting in a box waiting for a frame to install them on. Doubt I will ever do it since rim brakes work just fine for me. Anyone need a BB7 caliper set?
Only one complaint about Spyre brakes has been already mentioned. The 2.5mm pad adjuster. Does not instill confidence at all, and cannot be ham-fisted in any manner. If you ride in foul environments on a full-time basis, that 2.5mm adjuster can become a problem due to corrosion. Discovered this on my son's commuter bike, and for this reason I have a set of BB7's sitting in a box waiting for a frame to install them on. Doubt I will ever do it since rim brakes work just fine for me. Anyone need a BB7 caliper set?
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Isn't Avid BB7 SRAM? Shimano and SRAM can't be mixed as Shimano uses mineral oil and SRAM uses DOT fluid.
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Isn't Avid BB7 SRAM? Shimano and SRAM can't be mixed as Shimano uses mineral oil and SRAM uses DOT fluid.
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