Wahoo Kickr Bike, dual sided power
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Wahoo Kickr Bike, dual sided power
My Wahoo Kickr bike has a built-in (hub) power meter.
I control the Kickr bike from my Wahoo Roam.
I want to use dual-sided power, so I added Garmin Rally RS200 dual-sided pedals.
Problem is, I can find no way to convince the Roam to display pedal power while the Kickr bike is connected.
With both Wahoo and Garmin power meters connected, the Roam defaults to the Wahoo.
Any ideas, or do I now own a low mileage pair of pedals I can't really use?
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I control the Kickr bike from my Wahoo Roam.
I want to use dual-sided power, so I added Garmin Rally RS200 dual-sided pedals.
Problem is, I can find no way to convince the Roam to display pedal power while the Kickr bike is connected.
With both Wahoo and Garmin power meters connected, the Roam defaults to the Wahoo.
Any ideas, or do I now own a low mileage pair of pedals I can't really use?
Barry
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Nope... no cigar!
Nice idea tho
With Pedals connected, me pedaling and display showing L/R balance (so definitely dual)....
As soon as the bike powers up I lose the L/R balance (so we are back to the Bike hub PM)
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Nice idea tho
With Pedals connected, me pedaling and display showing L/R balance (so definitely dual)....
As soon as the bike powers up I lose the L/R balance (so we are back to the Bike hub PM)
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bummer. here is another idea...i would assume that the bike is being connected via ant+, so, try to connect to your peddles via blue tooth, assuming they support that protocol.
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i am hoping that the bluetooth connection will be left alone. i've not tried to connect to my kicker or hrm or cadence sensor via both but mayte tommorw i'll give it a whirl.
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i know, such a total hack, and a miracle if it works.
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I’ve both the Roam and Bolt…. I’ll try that in the morning.
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This seems a little weird. It would mean that if you are riding someone, your roam would connect to your friend's power meter if it likes it better somehow. Similarly if you had two trainer bikes sitting in the same room together. I can't imagine that's really true. Wahoo has some bugs, but I imagine they fixed that one early on.
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This seems a little weird. It would mean that if you are riding someone, your roam would connect to your friend's power meter if it likes it better somehow. Similarly if you had two trainer bikes sitting in the same room together. I can't imagine that's really true. Wahoo has some bugs, but I imagine they fixed that one early on.
The head unit then operates with sensors it’s been Paired with and ignores all others. My issue is the I have to Pair two Power Meters and have no control over which gets used by the Roam.
Now if your at the mid ride stop with friends, unpair and re-pair your Heart Rate monitor, you could get the wrong one.
Then with your friends Heart Rate displayed on your Roam, you get to give him crap for how bad he’s doing for the rest of the ride.
Much fun was had that day.
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You can't simply not pair the trainer power? Zwift and trainerroad both allow you to do that.
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The Roam is paired to the trainer in order to control resistance and record Speed & distance.
When pairing you don’t get to choose, you get the whole bike.
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When pairing you don’t get to choose, you get the whole bike.
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Ok fixed!
Solution was the simple application of money.
Purchased a Garmin Edge 860. It’s quite happy to control the bikes resistance, read power from Garmin Rally pedals and ignore the Wahoo Kickr bike built in power meter.
In summery
I’m extremely happy with my Wahoo Kickr bike, but for the bike’s cost, dual sided should have been included.
At very least a path for self upgrade provided for.
I can’t help feel that the Garmin solution is just luck and one (Garmin or Wahoo) firmware update away from failure.
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Solution was the simple application of money.
Purchased a Garmin Edge 860. It’s quite happy to control the bikes resistance, read power from Garmin Rally pedals and ignore the Wahoo Kickr bike built in power meter.
In summery
I’m extremely happy with my Wahoo Kickr bike, but for the bike’s cost, dual sided should have been included.
At very least a path for self upgrade provided for.
I can’t help feel that the Garmin solution is just luck and one (Garmin or Wahoo) firmware update away from failure.
Barry
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Well, if the firmware update screws that up, you now have 2 bike computers. One to control the kickr bike and the other two get the Garmin pedal data.
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I may yet end up running both Garmin and Wahoo computers, the Garmin will not recognize my Wahoo Headwind fan. I do enjoy being able to control the fan while I’m on the bike.
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Tried that already with my Roam & Bolt…. I wind up with two .fit files and data I need in both. Strava and Intervals.icu can’t handle that.
I may yet end up running both Garmin and Wahoo computers, the Garmin will not recognize my Wahoo Headwind fan. I do enjoy being able to control the fan while I’m on the bike.
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I may yet end up running both Garmin and Wahoo computers, the Garmin will not recognize my Wahoo Headwind fan. I do enjoy being able to control the fan while I’m on the bike.
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I'll stick with the Garmin for the time being, it gets me LR balence and a whole host of other
Thanks again
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The kickr is really giving you dual sided power, but it's merged together, obviously. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to deconvolve the data.
Wahoo would have to have a fairly complex extra circuit to determine which leg was which. Or a much more expensive crank with built in power meter. I can't imagine it's that important to too many people. The thing that's screwed up is the roam forcing you to use the one power stream instead of the other.
Wahoo would have to have a fairly complex extra circuit to determine which leg was which. Or a much more expensive crank with built in power meter. I can't imagine it's that important to too many people. The thing that's screwed up is the roam forcing you to use the one power stream instead of the other.
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With a single strain gauge in the Hub you can't determine one leg from the other.
Is the power registered at the Hub from the left leg pushing or the right leg pulling.... no way to tell.
You need two strain gauges, one for each leg. No manor of electronic circuit or decombobulatingism will fix a single strain gauge.
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OH.. and yes it's a shame about the Roam.
It's also a shame it's up on Craigslist as we speak!
Is the power registered at the Hub from the left leg pushing or the right leg pulling.... no way to tell.
You need two strain gauges, one for each leg. No manor of electronic circuit or decombobulatingism will fix a single strain gauge.
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OH.. and yes it's a shame about the Roam.
It's also a shame it's up on Craigslist as we speak!
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Unless you are a rarity, you probably don't put out power from both legs at the same time. I don't know what your left/right balance is, but most people aren't 50/50. If you are, you don't really need two sided power anyway.
I guess I should connect my garmin up to my kickr and see what the data looks like. I'm not sure if zwift carries that much detail
I guess I should connect my garmin up to my kickr and see what the data looks like. I'm not sure if zwift carries that much detail
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The kickr is really giving you dual sided power, but it's merged together, obviously. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to deconvolve the data.
Wahoo would have to have a fairly complex extra circuit to determine which leg was which. Or a much more expensive crank with built in power meter. I can't imagine it's that important to too many people. The thing that's screwed up is the roam forcing you to use the one power stream instead of the other.
Wahoo would have to have a fairly complex extra circuit to determine which leg was which. Or a much more expensive crank with built in power meter. I can't imagine it's that important to too many people. The thing that's screwed up is the roam forcing you to use the one power stream instead of the other.
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Unless you are a rarity, you probably don't put out power from both legs at the same time. I don't know what your left/right balance is, but most people aren't 50/50. If you are, you don't really need two sided power anyway.
I guess I should connect my garmin up to my kickr and see what the data looks like. I'm not sure if zwift carries that much detail
I guess I should connect my garmin up to my kickr and see what the data looks like. I'm not sure if zwift carries that much detail
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Unless you are a rarity, you probably don't put out power from both legs at the same time. I don't know what your left/right balance is, but most people aren't 50/50. If you are, you don't really need two sided power anyway. I guess I should connect my garmin up to my kickr and see what the data looks like. I'm not sure if zwift carries that much detail
YES ..... I do output power from both legs at the same time!
I've worked quite hard in order to do so.
My coach even gives me pedal drills.
And with the help of 21st Century technology documenting my progress, I can get stronger at doing it.
As for my 55/45 split, its not bad, and it does tend to get better at higher outputs, just like my Torque Effectiveness.
By profession I'm a geek and do so enjoy some good data.
Dual-Sided is not just about balance, there is a whole lot more to be had with the right PM.
In simple terms, Imagine this....
You push down with your left leg 50 lbs
But you fail to pick up your 20 lbs right leg
30 lbs pushes you forward
What if you picked up your right leg 25 lbs
55 lbs pushes you forward
What if you used your pedals to push over TDC/BDC.
Lastly to quote my buddy in the UK
"You have to pedal all the way around" - Robert