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Old 10-28-12, 12:57 AM
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what do you do with wrecked frames that are not worth repairing?

I have dreamed of finding a wrecked road frame to play with.

1. try to dis-assemble the lugs, maybe try my hand at repairing it for self education.

2. save the small parts for other frames- shift bosses,cable guides,brake bridge,dropouts.

Seems we never hear from them after impact, even they can have use in the afterlife.

I would like a wreck to work with, pretty rare up here.

I cant see any reason not to salvage the braze on bits.

throw em my way! I will pay postage to Baltimore!

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I've got a worthless Raleigh Scorpio frame, I'd like to make the rear triangle into a portable chair. I also have a Ricardo Racemaster as a ornament at the start of our driveway on our farm property.

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leave it on the street for junk collectors/metal recyclers
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Originally Posted by frantik
leave it on the street for junk collectors/metal recyclers
Not a Ricardo, to good for that!
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When my Miyata 312 was run over it was stripped and the bare frame went into the 'metals' hopper at the dump. Given the amount of bikes and parts I've removed from that hopper I figured it was only fair.

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Many years ago, a friend asked me if I had any "old" Italian racing bicycles I wanted to get rid of.

I had two, a Ciocc and a Colnago Super, that were beat/rusted within an inch of their lives.

He used them as decorations in a bar in Mpls. for a few years as decorations/props.

I should have kept them. Nowadays someone would have paid me decent money to "renovate" them.
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Most of the ones I have are pretty low end, so they end up at the recyclers. Before aluminum prices fell I could get $10-$12 for a BSO aluminum frame.

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We take off the good parts and put the frames in a pile which eventually gets taken to the scrap yard.
A ½ ton pickup loaded with bike parts for recycling yields only about $60, but that’s enough for three 30packs of my favorite beer.
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Originally Posted by BluesDaddy
(Freeze damaged)

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What is "freeze damaged?" Bikes do not need to be stored in temperature-controlled rooms.
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I have never wrecked a (thanks god) that couldn't be fixed but when I worked in shops I would pick them clean like a thanks giving turkey and into the 'tip' they went.

If the rear is in good shape the stool idea is a good one.

While were talking trashed frames if anyone has a long decent steerer from a trashed fork let me know.
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Depends on how you define wrecked. I have donated rusty, scraped up bikes to the co-op and before I left, someone was already building it up. Now if it is damaged so it is not safe to ride, I will salvage everything I can (even the fork) and put it in the recycle bin
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I sometimes make stools.

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What is "freeze damaged?"
I have seen lots of "freeze damaged" bicycles, ranging from pretty darn nice vintage road bikes to department store pos wonders.

A bicycle left to the harsh winter temperatures, in Thunder Bay, is at little risk - unless water has invaded the bottom bracket and/or chain stays. Imagine what happens when that water freezes and expands as it does so. Right - the chain stays will swell to the point of splitting. And on some bicycles, that is a sad thing to see.

I had a picture of a toasted Trek Anniversary that went through the process. Wonder what I did with those pics?

And what do I do with scrap frame sets? Scrap Yard - $26.00...

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Originally Posted by randyjawa
I have seen lots of "freeze damaged" bicycles, ranging from pretty darn nice vintage road bikes to department store pos wonders.

A bicycle left to the harsh winter temperatures, in Thunder Bay, is at little risk - unless water has invaded the bottom bracket and/or chain stays. Imagine what happens when that water freezes and expands as it does so. Right - the chain stays will swell to the point of splitting. And on some bicycles, that is a sad thing to see.

I had a picture of a toasted Trek Anniversary that went through the process. Wonder what I did with those pics?

And what do I do with scrap frame sets? Scrap Yard - $26.00...

This pic cause me nightmares. I am sure Randy has done a good job of seperating the wheat from the chaff but still a Mercier, Bottechia and ... just lying there in a field
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I know that with certain items you need to prevent them from even possibly being reused by someone if you are putting them out in the recycling/trash. It is often just not worth event the most remote legal risk.

A couple of examples I can think of (and have done):
- Electrical goods - cut the plug/cord off them to deter all but the keenest/most competent/most stupid folks.
- Life Jackets and PFDs - slash them up into pieces.

I've heard of tow truck drivers cutting the seatbelt webbing of any seat that was occupied in a decent sized crash. That belt has been stretched and needs replacing (or needs to be prevented from being re-used as a part if the car is wrecked), but some cheap (or dumb) folks won't do it unless they have to.

So...does anyone here actually take an unsafe frame and cut it or bend it somehow to discourage re-use?
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I've picked up a trek carbon frame that someone at the shop stomped on and broke the stays off so nobody would use it. I just wanted wall art. I've got more than a few up on the wall. My favorite is a manitou 1-1/4" headtube all aluminum hardtail. Thing is beast.
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I know that with certain items you need to prevent them from even possibly being reused by someone if you are putting them out in the recycling/trash. It is often just not worth event the most remote legal risk.

A couple of examples I can think of (and have done):
- Electrical goods - cut the plug/cord off them to deter all but the keenest/most competent/most stupid folks.
- Life Jackets and PFDs - slash them up into pieces.

I've heard of tow truck drivers cutting the seatbelt webbing of any seat that was occupied in a decent sized crash. That belt has been stretched and needs replacing (or needs to be prevented from being re-used as a part if the car is wrecked), but some cheap (or dumb) folks won't do it unless they have to.

So...does anyone here actually take an unsafe frame and cut it or bend it somehow to discourage re-use?
Actually there is a law forbiding junkyards or rather "Auto Recyclers" from selling used seatbelts. It was explained to me it is not so much the belt stretching but something to do with the inertia reels.

Cannondale used to make you cut off the serial number and give to the sales rep or mail in to the warranty dept.
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I like the stool idea. I saw off and sharpen TT and DT to use as Zombie stakes. "The Walking Dead" is on tonight.

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I have a bent Vista frame in my cellar that I've been using as a scrap metal quarry. I've cut various sections of 1" and 1 1/8" tubing for use here and there, and gradually the thing has been getting smaller. The lugs and dropouts are actually pretty nice, so when the time comes they'll go in a box to be sent to ... someone. Mike, let me know if you want them. There aren't any shifter bosses but there might be some cable stops.
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Originally Posted by Chuckk
(not mine) This was STOLEN and immediately put on CL. Later replaced with a Trek 2100. I've seen another in my neighborhood, but haven't photographed it.

There's a shop in a tiny town around here that has a mailbox like that:





I can't find a thing wrong with it. OR the stronglight TT cranks. It's an impressive bike, just sitting there, rotting away.
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thanks rhm,

I will contact you about that. Maybe randy is willing to use the hacksaw for me also?

here is my shopping list of little bits




replacing the crap stamped dropouts with nicer ones, campy or gipiemme, something italian

maybe even the front ones.

spread it to 126, same time im going to lower the rear brake bridge so I could use 27 and maybe later 700 wheels
so a nice brake bridge would be a good part to cut off

the cable stop braze on for the rear deraileur cable

the cable guide ears for over the bottom bracket- might as well hack off the bb
bottle bosses-this is a long shot of finding nice ones used

lever bosses

cable guides for the top tube

maybe pump pins-cheaper then a perfect fit pump!

tall list for a old frame revamp!
this will be a fun thread when I get brave enough to try it
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I have broken three frames. I took the bare 20-year-old 1971 Nishiki Competition frame (seat tube lug broke off bottom bracket) to a dealership, and the company was actually willing to give me a $150 (my original purchase price) discount on a new Nishiki, under the lifetime frame warranty (remember those?). I decided against a new bike and transferred the components to a 1973 Peugeot UO-8, for which I bought new Sugino 35x1 bottom bracket cups. When the chainstay cracked on that frame (is this a curse, or something?), I put it out with the trash, moving some of the components to my current 1970 UO-8, which has yet to crack.

I gave my first Capo frame, which had failed a few years after being bent back and restraightened, to a friend who taught bicycle and automobile repair at the local adult school, so that he could hack it up to demonstrate double-butted tubing to his students. If I knew then (early 1980s) what and whom I know now, I might have had a company like CyclArt replace the top tube and downtube.
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I posted an ad on CL last week for a free 57cm 531 Austro Daimler with a bent fork, top and down tube. I posted it as free for someone to practice their brazing or turn into a shop stool. The guy who came to collect it claimed he was going to try and "cut it down and make it into a 50cm". I'm not sure how he thought he was going to do that.
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