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If i want to buy a new station wagon, yes. The last American one sold was a rebadged German one that was dropped for the 2020 year We have the Outback, the VW if it is still being sold, and the high end German ones if they are still being sold. So for me it's mini and full sized vans. No SUVs and crossovers. Triples also, so no new bikes.
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My man, you can't even keep track of how many p's are in the word "triple" and you expect me to believe that you know what sprocket you're riding in the back without checking religiously? Also that advice is still 3x more complicated than remembering to stay in the big chainring unless it's hard going uphill.
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I look down quite frequently, I hardly ever know what gear I am in. And why should I care nominally? When it matters I look, otherwise I crank away in blissful ignorance.
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I agree based on what I see around me, but why is this the case? Are racers normally strong enough to not need the granny? It could just be everyone conforming to the norm, I think some people don't even know why they shave their legs and wear sunglasses over the helmet straps. Its just the way things are done.
My Ultegra triple came with a 30x25 low gear. Many modern compacts come with a 34x34.
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Riding a bike is just like riding a bike. It all comes back to you but you can't remember how many chainrings you have.
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My man, you can't even keep track of how many p's are in the word "triple" and you expect me to believe that you know what sprocket you're riding in the back without checking religiously? Also that advice is still 3x more complicated than remembering to stay in the big chainring unless it's hard going uphill.
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Well, you can shift from the middle ring to the BB shell under load pretty easily....
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If you have brifters and a Hyperglide or equivalent cassette, it's WAY easier to shift the back under load. Just lighten your pedal stroke for half a turn and, and 3 clicks of the lever, and you're there. If you're trying to do it with DT levers and no Hyperglide, yeah, it sucks.
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If you have brifters and a Hyperglide or equivalent cassette, it's WAY easier to shift the back under load. Just lighten your pedal stroke for half a turn and, and 3 clicks of the lever, and you're there. If you're trying to do it with DT levers and no Hyperglide, yeah, it sucks.
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I agree based on what I see around me, but why is this the case? Are racers normally strong enough to not need the granny? It could just be everyone conforming to the norm, I think some people don't even know why they shave their legs and wear sunglasses over the helmet straps. Its just the way things are done.
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I killed both of my cheap hybrids (giant escape, 7 speed freewheel) by shifting under load in the last year and a half. One is probably not too bad to fix but the other's derailleur was destroyed, both bikes had the chain so badly jammed between the cassette and frame that i couldn't get it out. I used a chain brake tool to remove a link and was able to get one out, but the other I think is toast. Sure both bikes had other problems, but shifting under load was the nail in the coffin
"I went to my doctor. I said, 'It hurts when I go like that.' He said, 'Don't go like that.'"
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I had a transition last weekend that was so abrupt that I lost my momentum before I could get to the end of my range and fell over. I got on the granny first and was trying to grind it out while moving up the cassette. Momentum stopped and I couldn't get a foot down fast enough. Got up, shifted the rest of the way to the end of the cassette, rolled down to the start, and went back up. Luckily, there were no other riders/bystanders to witness the fiasco.
Also slowly passed a teen walking up a hill with a skateboard. Looked down and I was climbing at 4.1mph. Slow enough that we had a conversation.
Also slowly passed a teen walking up a hill with a skateboard. Looked down and I was climbing at 4.1mph. Slow enough that we had a conversation.
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Do they still put on the race? Is Danny still with us?
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Looks exactly like my local terrain. 1x13 would work fine for me. I very nearly went down that route on my new bike, but ended up with a 2x12 which actually has slightly less overall range than the 1x13 I was considering. It does have tighter gaps on the cassette, but there really isn't that much in it. I wouldn't even consider a triple with a modern 11/12-speed drivetrain. Look at it this way - It would be the equivalent of you considering a 4x or even 5x setup on your bike.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many people cling to the theory that bike manufacturers all conspire to produce 1x, disc brake, carbon frames etc., despite most cyclists preferring triples, rim brakes, and steel frames. It's like claiming the auto manufacturers all conspire to build SUVs, despite people really wanting station wagons.
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The alternative view is that there simply isn't enough overall demand for triples anymore to make them commercially viable. Mountain bikers are not interested in triples anymore, so that's a big market for triples gone almost overnight. Most roadies prefer doubles anyway and now you have wide-range 12-speed cassettes, demand for a triple has become pretty niche. I can see the appeal for some tourers, but I guess there aren't enough of them to interest the manufacturers.
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I have a V8 German station wagon and a couple of bikes with triples on them.
Neither get much use these days.
Neither get much use these days.
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Looks exactly like my local terrain. 1x13 would work fine for me. I very nearly went down that route on my new bike, but ended up with a 2x12 which actually has slightly less overall range than the 1x13 I was considering. It does have tighter gaps on the cassette, but there really isn't that much in it. I wouldn't even consider a triple with a modern 11/12-speed drivetrain. Look at it this way - It would be the equivalent of you considering a 4x or even 5x setup on your bike.
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Shimano still offers triple cranksets in road and mtb groups. I'm sure there are others.
I have a 1x on my mtb with an 11 speed cassette. I don't need a high gear for off road and I never noticed the big gaps in the cassette until I started doing some road rides on it. There, the gaps are dramatic.
I have a 1x on my mtb with an 11 speed cassette. I don't need a high gear for off road and I never noticed the big gaps in the cassette until I started doing some road rides on it. There, the gaps are dramatic.
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Not sure why you would think anyone would 'of course' view it in jest.
It's especially funny when you the asd in that only half was in jest. When you have to explain that much, it wasnt obvious.
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Ok, I'll play....
I like road triples. I especially like my Trek 5200 with the Shimano 6503 Crankset (52/42/30). It has never let me down or wanting for something else.
I like road triples. I especially like my Trek 5200 with the Shimano 6503 Crankset (52/42/30). It has never let me down or wanting for something else.
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I have had a couple of triples. Both were rigid mountain bikes. Both were primarily ridden off road. I almost never used the large ring, except as a bash guard. All of my current off road bikes are 1X. Both have 11-50 tooth cassettes. One is 11 and one is 12 speed. They both work just fine.
The tandem is set up as a 1X9 with an 11-50 Box cassette and a fairly small front ring. Absolute maximum pedaling speed is 28 MPH which is enough for how we use it.
My road bikes have always been doubles. Even when I lived where there were real mountains. Both of my current regular rides use a 39-52. One has an 11-27 and the other has an 11-32.
The only hills I ever see here on the plains are overpasses or parking ramps. These are both relatively short so they are not a problem.
What we do have is WIND. On a recent day we took the tandem out for a ride going into a 28/G40 wind. Rode this for 6 miles. Then we turned so the wind was our friend but not a direct tail wind.
Later that day I went out on the 11-32 bike for a group ride into the now 33/G44 MPH wind. This time for 8 miles before turning.
I never found myself wanting an easier gear and I never had to use the largest gear on the cassette except to get rolling.
For me, a triple is the answer to a question I have never asked. If you want one, go ahead and get one. I can see the attraction on a solo touring bike.
Very low gears for long steep climbs and high gears for places where you want to ride at a fast pace. But my 1X dinner plate on the tandem gives us pretty close to that, without having the front derailleur to deal with when I take it out of its cases and assemble it.
When I go touring it is on the tandem, and it is very rare that the practical limit of 25MPH is not sufficient.
The tandem is set up as a 1X9 with an 11-50 Box cassette and a fairly small front ring. Absolute maximum pedaling speed is 28 MPH which is enough for how we use it.
My road bikes have always been doubles. Even when I lived where there were real mountains. Both of my current regular rides use a 39-52. One has an 11-27 and the other has an 11-32.
The only hills I ever see here on the plains are overpasses or parking ramps. These are both relatively short so they are not a problem.
What we do have is WIND. On a recent day we took the tandem out for a ride going into a 28/G40 wind. Rode this for 6 miles. Then we turned so the wind was our friend but not a direct tail wind.
Later that day I went out on the 11-32 bike for a group ride into the now 33/G44 MPH wind. This time for 8 miles before turning.
I never found myself wanting an easier gear and I never had to use the largest gear on the cassette except to get rolling.
For me, a triple is the answer to a question I have never asked. If you want one, go ahead and get one. I can see the attraction on a solo touring bike.
Very low gears for long steep climbs and high gears for places where you want to ride at a fast pace. But my 1X dinner plate on the tandem gives us pretty close to that, without having the front derailleur to deal with when I take it out of its cases and assemble it.
When I go touring it is on the tandem, and it is very rare that the practical limit of 25MPH is not sufficient.
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Riding my old bikes, I get why triples were popular BITD. Most of them came with 52/42 x 13-24 AT MOST. I replaced most of them with 13-26. I can do hills with those, but it's a chore and it can't be more than about 10 minutes or so. The one that came with 13-32 has yawning chasms between its 6 cogs, where I can choose between 110rpm and 80.
But now, with 10 or 11 speeds and 30, 32, or even 34t largest cogs, not to mention compact cranksets, I don't feel the need. At the moment, I don't want anything smaller than the 36x34 I have available on one of my bikes. I even find that too small on lots of hills where I use the lowest gear on the other bikes.
But now, with 10 or 11 speeds and 30, 32, or even 34t largest cogs, not to mention compact cranksets, I don't feel the need. At the moment, I don't want anything smaller than the 36x34 I have available on one of my bikes. I even find that too small on lots of hills where I use the lowest gear on the other bikes.
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