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...so we're only on page four, and at least two people have called me a liar. Someone will now post a semantic argument, claiming I have misrepresented the statement by Atlas Shrugged . I'm out. It's cloudy and there's an on and off rain today here, but General Cycling has become such an abusive environment lately, that even standing outside in the rain is preferable.
...so we're only on page four, and at least two people have called me a liar. Someone will now post a semantic argument, claiming I have misrepresented the statement by Atlas Shrugged . I'm out. It's cloudy and there's an on and off rain today here, but General Cycling has become such an abusive environment lately, that even standing outside in the rain is preferable.
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...I confess I know nothing about the costs of diagnosing and repairing a cracked CFRP bicycle. Alloy, as you say, once it breaks it's broken. Do you have any idea about the costs of these services, so I can judge the vialbility of it a a strategy, versus just buying a cheaper bicycle frame in the first place ? I have the impression that a lot of people in the world of higher end CF just buy a new bike, because the associated component technology is changing so rapidly. But I might be completely mistaken in that.
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Sounds like you work for their marketing department.There are a lot of carbon frame bikes for <$7000. She sells <$7000 aluminum bikes.
Originally Posted by Chloe Hosking
I’ve seen that alloy bikes can be just as competitive in a peloton as carbon ones. The vast majority of people do not need to spend 20 grand on a carbon bike.
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03-11-24, 12:01 PM
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Utter nonsense.
I've ridden and raced on bikes made of steel, aluminum, titanium, and carbon fiber. I still own bikes made of 3 of those materials. I'm a lot of years removed from my best racing days and peak fitness, but I haven't lost the ability to recognize and appreciate the differences in ride quality and handling characteristics between different bikes. It turns out that the bikes I prefer to ride are all CF. They're also the bikes that excite me most to look at. If a high-end CF bike helps pro racers get the most from their abilities, why can't I also ride a bike that helps me get the most from my abilities? I'm not racing the way I used to, but I still like riding to the limits of what my body is capable of on a regular basis. That's just playing the game of bikes the way I like to play it. For the same reasons, I wear "roadie" clothing when I ride, regardless of whether it's road, gravel, or MTB. It's clothing optimized for cycling, and helps me perform at my best, regardless of how I compare to anyone else. I'm not pretending to be someone. I am a cyclist, and I use the gear that suits the way I like to ride, based on preferences developed over a long time. At this point, I don't ever expect to purchase a non-CF bike.
All that said. These are my preferences. If yours are different, that's fine. I'm not telling anyone else how they should enjoy the sport/activity, and what they should be limited to using.
I've ridden and raced on bikes made of steel, aluminum, titanium, and carbon fiber. I still own bikes made of 3 of those materials. I'm a lot of years removed from my best racing days and peak fitness, but I haven't lost the ability to recognize and appreciate the differences in ride quality and handling characteristics between different bikes. It turns out that the bikes I prefer to ride are all CF. They're also the bikes that excite me most to look at. If a high-end CF bike helps pro racers get the most from their abilities, why can't I also ride a bike that helps me get the most from my abilities? I'm not racing the way I used to, but I still like riding to the limits of what my body is capable of on a regular basis. That's just playing the game of bikes the way I like to play it. For the same reasons, I wear "roadie" clothing when I ride, regardless of whether it's road, gravel, or MTB. It's clothing optimized for cycling, and helps me perform at my best, regardless of how I compare to anyone else. I'm not pretending to be someone. I am a cyclist, and I use the gear that suits the way I like to ride, based on preferences developed over a long time. At this point, I don't ever expect to purchase a non-CF bike.
All that said. These are my preferences. If yours are different, that's fine. I'm not telling anyone else how they should enjoy the sport/activity, and what they should be limited to using.
On this business of cosplay, I knew that I was aware of a real instance, but couldn't quite recall. Then it hit me ... of course there is cycling cosplay. Here's an example.
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...in context, this was said to me here back in February:
I can see why you’re so confused. Instead of riding and opining plastic bicycles and components you should try carbon fiber is absolutely amazing. Incredible strength to weight ratio, infinitely adjustable through layup, and state of the art for current cycling technology who knows where the future will take it. Hopefully this clears up your confusion. It will drastically increase your enjoyment of the sport from a riding perspective.[/QUOTE]
It was in the Weight Weenieism thread, which has been locked, so the reference function might not work.
Not only. Just fully. Stop saying this, because you were not a participant in the original exchange. Thank you
It was in the Weight Weenieism thread, which has been locked, so the reference function might not work.
Not only. Just fully. Stop saying this, because you were not a participant in the original exchange. Thank you
Your idealism is getting in the way of reality.
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I can see why you’re so confused. Instead of riding and opining plastic bicycles and components you should try carbon fiber is absolutely amazing. Incredible strength to weight ratio, infinitely adjustable through layup, and state of the art for current cycling technology who knows where the future will take it. Hopefully this clears up your confusion. It will drastically increase your enjoyment of the sport from a riding perspective.
Talking about what someone said without showing what they actually said is another no-no.
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...so we're only on page four, and at least two people have called me a liar. Someone will now post a semantic argument, claiming I have misrepresented the statement by Atlas Shrugged . I'm out. It's cloudy and there's an on and off rain today here, but General Cycling has become such an abusive environment lately, that even standing outside in the rain is preferable.
...so we're only on page four, and at least two people have called me a liar. Someone will now post a semantic argument, claiming I have misrepresented the statement by Atlas Shrugged . I'm out. It's cloudy and there's an on and off rain today here, but General Cycling has become such an abusive environment lately, that even standing outside in the rain is preferable.
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...so we're only on page four, and at least two people have called me a liar. Someone will now post a semantic argument, claiming I have misrepresented the statement by Atlas Shrugged . I'm out. It's cloudy and there's an on and off rain today here, but General Cycling has become such an abusive environment lately, that even standing outside in the rain is preferable.
...so we're only on page four, and at least two people have called me a liar. Someone will now post a semantic argument, claiming I have misrepresented the statement by Atlas Shrugged . I'm out. It's cloudy and there's an on and off rain today here, but General Cycling has become such an abusive environment lately, that even standing outside in the rain is preferable.
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Last two world tour bike races I watched - the winners could have been riding 20 year old steel frames, while everyone else was riding the best of the best CF had to offer, and still won with a big margin. Pogs and Vingo would have won Strade and Tirrento on steel framed bikes while everyone else was riding their Dogma's.
It's possible he could have managed, but we'll never know.
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I'm not flapped, I just have prior experience with these guys. They won't stay on topic, no matter how much I redirect them. And once two people have called you a liar, based on some exchange for which they were neither present, nor paying attention, in general cycling of all places, it's foolish to wait around for a third. It's Spring here, all the daffodils, magnolias, and camellias are in bloom. Not once has a flower ever insulted me. (Although I do get a touch of hay fever later on in the season...
)I would ask a moderator to close it, as unsalvageable, but it's extra work for them. And who knows but that someone will come along, actually addressing the ideas as presented. A few have already...hope springs eternal in the Springtime.
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...you should try carbon fiber is absolutely amazing. Incredible strength to weight ratio, infinitely adjustable through layup, and state of the art for current cycling technology who knows where the future will take it. Hopefully this clears up your confusion. It will drastically increase your enjoyment of the sport from a riding perspective.
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I don't know the specific costs, but a guy I ride with occasionally was involved in a crash on a local competitive group ride (typically 100+ riders). His BMC Teammachine suffered a broken seat tube. Repairing it was a cheaper option than buying a new frame (which would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $4k). An aluminum frame would have been trash.
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...look. I really am out. If you guys want to circle around and further harass someone who's not present to respond, you have my blessing. It serves as an excellent demonstration of what general cycling discussion level has become, on certain topics.
Good luck and godspeed.
...look. I really am out. If you guys want to circle around and further harass someone who's not present to respond, you have my blessing. It serves as an excellent demonstration of what general cycling discussion level has become, on certain topics.
Good luck and godspeed.
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If you say you are out, stay out, Don't keep coming back to say you are out.
Yet, you keep responding.
Sheesh. If you troll, don't cry about being "harassed" when people call you on it.
Sheesh. If you troll, don't cry about being "harassed" when people call you on it.
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...look. I really am out. If you guys want to circle around and further harass someone who's not present to respond, you have my blessing. It serves as an excellent demonstration of what general cycling discussion level has become, on certain topics.
Good luck and godspeed.
...look. I really am out. If you guys want to circle around and further harass someone who's not present to respond, you have my blessing. It serves as an excellent demonstration of what general cycling discussion level has become, on certain topics.
Good luck and godspeed.
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In this thread, he's either disingenuous or rather clueless.
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EDIT: I can tell you all of the reasons why I chose (or would choose) one bike over another, but my reasons might not be the same as your reasons. Our reasons don't have to align, and that's fine. If you are too freaked out about the possibility of breaking a CF frame, or the cost of replacement, then maybe a CF frame isn't a good choice for you. Maybe you prefer the ride feel of a different material. Maybe the subtle differences between one bike/material or another are inconsequential to you. Thankfully, there are lots of options to choose from, and something will probably fit your needs/wants.
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...so what do you think it means ? If a CF frame will "drastically increase your enjoyment of the sport from a riding perspective" , how exactly am I supposed to enjoy riding a bicycle from a riding perspective on anything else ? Do me a solid here and explain that to me. My take was that I am "drastically missing something". I could be wrong. How exactly ? What am I missing other than identical wording ?
Certainly there is a lot of opinion being offered by that person. Just like most everything else we talk about here is opinion.
I think most of us here are starting to get the idea that you won't be satisfied by anything other than something that fulfils your idealism. While I on the other hand haven't had any issues with steel, aluminum or carbon fiber bikes. There are bad and good things about all of them. Now titanium bikes, I've never had. So should I believe the then popular 1960's or was it the 70's conspiracy toward them that they are too flexy in the BB area?
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