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If you really believe what you just wrote, "just because they don't need/want/like them," you're not looking for "understanding". You really are the "change my mind" meme guy.
"Change My Mind" is a regular segment conducted by Crowder in which he sits at a table with a sign including the phrase "Change My Mind" and invites people walking by, often students at a university campus, to change his mind on a controversial subject. A photograph of Crowder seated behind a sign in February 2018 reading "Male Privilege is a Myth | Change My Mind" outside the Texas Christian University campus became an Internet meme.[27][28][29] Variations of the meme often feature humorously controversial statements in place of "Male Privilege is a Myth", such as "Pineapple goes on pizza | Change My Mind"
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Why would someone not interested in disc brakes read and post on a disc brake thread?
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I'm always amused by people who respond to "disc brakes are better" with "I've never had any problems with rim brakes", as if that makes them the pinnacle of bicycle braking technology. A couple years ago, I got a couple old (early 80s) bikes, with old single-pivot brakes. I found they were A LOT less capable than modern dual pivots, and I posted a thread on C&V about it. Of course I got a lot of useful suggestions, like getting some modern pads. But then there were the folks who said they had "never had a problem" with those old brakes.
I imagine lots of people who've never experienced something better than what they have, have "never had a problem" with whatever it is. In cars, most people "never had a problem" with drum brakes all around because most people weren't pushing them to their limits. In fact they might not even notice the improvement disc brakes in cars made because the car stopped regardless.
Anyhow, my point is that, in my experience with bikes with a variety of brake types, discs > dual pivots > late '80s single pivots > early '80s single pivots. That said, I ride bikes with each of those braking systems and have a great time doing so, and isn't that the point? If it isn't, why the hell would we even ride?
Anyhow, my point is that, in my experience with bikes with a variety of brake types, discs > dual pivots > late '80s single pivots > early '80s single pivots. That said, I ride bikes with each of those braking systems and have a great time doing so, and isn't that the point? If it isn't, why the hell would we even ride?
I have 6 bikes, two with discs four with rim (road and mountain). They all work as well as I ever need them to work. I have no performance or functional need for the advantages of discs, but they're pretty much all that is available nowadays. They are fine, no complaints.
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Today I was going to bring a bicycle wheel to class to demonstrate angular momentum, but the University liability attorneys said I can't demonstrate angular momentum with a wheel that has a disc rotor affixed to the hub, because it could create a mass casualty event.
This is why the USA is slipping further in its world education ranking.
This is why the USA is slipping further in its world education ranking.
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I guess you don't understand the actual point being made: "rim brakes work fine". It does not mean that the opinion is that they are the pinnacle of braking technology. IT simply means they work fine and therefore whatever advantage discs have is not needed by that person.
And the vast, vast, vast majority of riders from casual neighborhood riders to high mileage enthusiasts are perfectly well served by rim brakes. Just so this comment isn't also misunderstood: I am not saying that disc brakes are not better for some cyclists and some circumstances, I just think that it's not many in the overall scheme of things.
I have 6 bikes, two with discs four with rim (road and mountain). They all work as well as I ever need them to work. I have no performance or functional need for the advantages of discs, but they're pretty much all that is available nowadays. They are fine, no complaints.
I have 6 bikes, two with discs four with rim (road and mountain). They all work as well as I ever need them to work. I have no performance or functional need for the advantages of discs, but they're pretty much all that is available nowadays. They are fine, no complaints.
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Today I was going to bring a bicycle wheel to class to demonstrate angular momentum, but the University liability attorneys said I can't demonstrate angular momentum with a wheel that has a disc rotor affixed to the hub, because it could create a mass casualty event.
This is why the USA is slipping further in its world education ranking.
This is why the USA is slipping further in its world education ranking.
You know, because gravity is a mass-related phenomenon?
I'll see myself out.
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Like electric guitar pickups: people on forums endlessly debate the merits of one boutique pickup versus another versus the original patent pending Gibson pickup they're both based on - for me, pickups either work or they don't.
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...in this sense, disc brakes are a lot like stinkin' badges.
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Would you mind elaborating? Just did a quick search but was quickly drowning in references to "4-8-4 lead truck brakes" and "wheel coolers." Way out of my depth.
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Steam locomotive drive wheels have replaceable tires. Sure, they’re made of steel, but they’re separate from the wheel (or “wheel center”). Instead of using tire levers to install them, they use fire to make them expand, install them, and let them cool onto the wheel for a shrink fit. The cast iron brake shoes are forced against the tires to effect braking. And yes, the heat generated from braking down long grades has been known to heat the tires enough to loosen them from the wheels—probably where you saw the wheel cooler reference.
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I just like using compressed air to blow off the disc brake dust.
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On the subject of brakes:
I have never heard of a TGV becoming a runaway train (is it because they use disc brakes?)
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If you don't ride in the rain then you don't ride in Scotland. And if you don't ride in Scotland you miss beautiful scenery and wonderful people...
On the subject of brakes:
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I have never heard of a TGV becoming a runaway train (is it because they use disc brakes?)
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I have never heard of a TGV becoming a runaway train (is it because they use disc brakes?)
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Note well: my experience with rim brakes on alloy wheels has been that they are adequate until the rims or the cables ice up. On carbon, just getting wet means a significant speed adjustment.
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Let me think... Back in my fire and rescue days most of our heavy vehicles (the 4,000 gallon tender comes to mind) had fail safe air brakes, which I believe became common on rail road cars as well. Yes, if the springs all fail then you have no brakes, but air pressure keeps the brakes off so if the compressor fails the vehicle stops unless all the braked wheels fail.
Note well: my experience with rim brakes on alloy wheels has been that they are adequate until the rims or the cables ice up. On carbon, just getting wet means a significant speed adjustment.
Note well: my experience with rim brakes on alloy wheels has been that they are adequate until the rims or the cables ice up. On carbon, just getting wet means a significant speed adjustment.
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I get what cyccommute means. Or, at least, I'm guessing he has a pragmatic attitude toward such things, same as I do. For me, most things are either good enough or not.
Like electric guitar pickups: people on forums endlessly debate the merits of one boutique pickup versus another versus the original patent pending Gibson pickup they're both based on - for me, pickups either work or they don't.
Like electric guitar pickups: people on forums endlessly debate the merits of one boutique pickup versus another versus the original patent pending Gibson pickup they're both based on - for me, pickups either work or they don't.
Conveniently I have a bass that allows me to choose coils and wiring modes on the fly so I get 90% of my playing needs met with that. Still need that HH stingray though...
Anyhoo, pickups don't really compare that well because there aren't really truly bad pickups in my experience. But there are truly bad brakes. Cantilevers aren't great...