shelbyfv

I don't get OP's fixation on "intelligence." Anyone who has attended US schools in the past 60+ years is aware of their relative IQ. It's not like we can take credit or blame any more than for our height.

beng1

Lots of words, but zero meaning. "Moderate" does not have any meaning unless you present research on how sixty-year old, 200-pound, 6'2" cardiac patients perform in TTs on 33-pound, fifty year old bikes with 165mm cranks. I am sorry you are not "fit". I went over 19mph on my 1996 Marin Bear Valley SE last year on a local 20 kilo TT course. Most laymen like yourself, who put up opinion instead of facts and research, have not figured out that bikes with fat tires have almost no performance disadvantage over the same bike with skinny tires. There are pro gravel-racers going 20 mph average in races that are up to 200 miles long. When I was "fit" in 1997 I could have done 21 or 22 mph on my MTB in a short TT, I did a 42-mile road-race on the Marin that year and the elitists that ran the race changed the rules the next year to ban mountain-bikes from the event because they did not like how I ran with their fancy road bikes.

big john

Your arrogance is incredible. Astonishing, really. You can't be serious, it must just be a poorly executed troll.

And calling Terry a "layman"? When Terry says "when I was fit" he means when he was at a level you can't conceive of.

I don't know why your BS bothers me so much. Even if you were as "brilliant" as you say you are, it's disgusting the way you talk about others. You are truly full of crap.

Ironfish653

His speed secret is bitterness; it's more powerful than EPO.

It's weird: he rails against people spending money on bikes and kit as trying to chase fads and buy speed, but at the same time credits his exquisitely tuned dumpster bikes and jorts as proof that a zero -dollar approach is a sign of advanced technique and higher understanding

Maybe it's not about the bikes?

terrymorse 

Astounding.

Folks, do you think he realizes?



"Laymen". Huh, that's a new one. From a mechanic, no less.

More pointless factoids. Do you think he he know that pro road racers can average over 30 mph on flat courses, for hours at a time? That's another factoid. Does he understand the relationship between tire size and aerodynamic drag? Does he understand how the wetted area of a tire increases with width, and how that impacts drag losses? Does he have a working knowledge of Navier-Stokes, or even Bernoulli? Does he have equipment of his design on orbit, still functioning after 30 years? (That's a cheap shot, don't answer that.)

But any way, lets do a back-of-the-envelope analysis to address the question: What is the aerodynamic penalty of changing from a narrow tire to a fat tire? For obvious reasons, folks aren't wind tunnel testing fat tires, but we can extrapolate from tests on narrower tires. Tests of a deep aero wheel (parcours 77mm) with a 25mm tire produced a drag of ~20 watts at 30mph. A 30mm tire has a 22% larger wetted area than a 25mm tire, so the expected drag is ~24 watts, a 4 watt increase per wheel. The penalty is certainly higher than that, as a wide tire on a narrower rim has an increased Cd (skin friction).

Koyote

When I was younger, I aspired to be a "layman." Then I found out what it actually means.

georges1

Terry has perhaps more years of real racing on his bike than you on yours.I highly doubt that with mid range marin MTB and without clipless pedals that you could do 21 mph with a bike being much heavier than a roadbike. Everyone in TT uses clipless pedals for better power transfer.Were you ever a member of any local cat5 or elite group ? Did you even win races ?

georges1

He doesn't realize, he gives himself a lot maybe too much importance and too much self confidence

smd4

Wait…you think “elitists” changed the rules because you rode a MTB? Were you clipping people with your handlebars?

shelbyfv

Let's shine some real world light on this. I sold a few bikes last spring. One was a Gunnar Sport with full Ultegra 10 speed double, nice Pacenti TR wheels, GP5000, Terry Ti saddle and a bunch pf spares. $450. Another was a Bianchi Volpe, again Ultegra 10 speed with a GRX crank. Fulcrum wheels with 2 sets of Panaracer GKs and a new Brooks Cambium. Again, $450 incl more spares. So $450 for a nice bike that needs nothing vs $150 for the oft pictured genius bike. The cost difference is insignificant for any adult with an income. Who's the smart guy? The one who has learned enough about bikes to tell quality from crap and is engaged in the hobby enough to find a fair deal? Or is it the genius, hunkered down in his bubble of resentment with a low quality bike that doesn't fit?

Koyote

If you were a genius*, and you had added some dumpster parts to those bikes, you would've gotten waaay more money for them.

*As evidenced by having dropped LSD and having your stomach pumped at least once,

beng1

Bitter??? That is hilarious. I put up a thread about fixing a 20" bike up to give to some kid, which I did, and my other recent thread was simply about a short ride I took around town and timed. Whoop-dee-doo, and the bitterness rolled in from you and your ilk. If you come into a thread with irrelevant ad-hominem attacks, then you deserve whatever you get in reply. It should be common sense, but no surprise that it is not here.....

The saddest individuals are those who actually can remember what others posted in the past, because believe me I don't know who any of you are day-to-day and never will. I am interested in subjects and content period, I never look at who puts what up because a statement worth anything stands on it's own, nor does it matter who makes statements with zero merit, so either way those making them do not matter. Those who do remember particular forum members, and are obsessed enough with them to remember what they posted yesterday or last year, or laughingly even on other forums, are sad beyond words.

Eric F 

I’m trying to figure out if you are at all aware of how arrogantly insulting your comments routinely are - sometimes thinly-veiled, sometimes not at all. It still baffles me that you spend so much time on a forum with people you have so much disdain for. Thank you for making it clear that this is just a platform for the beng1 show.

I guess I fit in your “saddest of all” category because I recognize that forum members are actually people, and I pay attention to the ones who post things that strike a chord with my preferences and experiences, or help me learn something new. It turns out that Big John and I live not far apart, have mutual friends and acquaintances, and have ridden a lot of the same earth. SoSmellyAir gave me some really good ride route advice when I was vacationing in his area, and today I was able to give him some tire info that was helpful to him. Koyote shared tips with me about what to expect in my first gravel race that were really valuable. This is just the first 3 that come to mind in this moment. There are many others. I find it sad that you can’t see the value in making connections with people.

Ironfish653

And of all the posts on this thread that directly address or even quote your posts, that was the one you chose to release the hounds on? By launching a tirade about how much you don’t care?

Says a lot.

livedarklions

Here's why you are hilarious--it's a basic rule that people who can't stop themselves from constantly telling you how much smarter they are than everyone else are inevitably the biggest doofuses around.

BTW, you have definitely started thread after thread about yourself and when someone disagrees with you on any subject you immediately start denigrating them and pretty much all of humanity who isn't you. Do you really think it's reasonable to expect people won't remember your insulting nonsense from thread to thread?

Also, you have shown a preference for getting your stomach pumped over thinking. That's pretty memorable.

big john

I had the same thought. Of all the posts to respond to, why that one?

badger1

Those, like the op, possessed of "brilliant" minds (as he never tires of telling us) -- those for whom "thinking" is not necessary because they simply "know" -- are responding to hidden meanings not accessible to the rest of us.

big john

The illuminati, the cognoscenti, the great minds who walk among us?

Good answer, btw.

badger1

Precisely.

big john

This guy is very different than any of the regular posters on this forum. Different in just about every way. If someone didn't remember him distinctly then they just aren't paying attention. Not that different is necessarily a bad thing.

Love your new tagline, btw.

shelbyfv

Let's not forget the literary masterstroke Moisty Me

Koyote

Ah, yes, that time-honored bf tradition: winning a non-race.

shelbyfv

Including self assigned sprint points for bizarre bike and kit.

livedarklions

Basically, the reason we know that he (the actual "Dumpster Vodka Guy", btw, it was never Larry), isn't a parody character is that when he actually tries to be funny, it's absolutely horrendous. His reaction to the lack of anyone finding it funny is, of course, to insult the intelligence of the audience and claim we don't get it or have no sense of humor. That part's funny, but there's no way he has the chops to do that intentionally.

wheelreason

LOL. Gotta know your audience, can't do Dennnis Miler to a Larry the cable guy crowd...