Bikes vs Cars
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The best solution would be a network of underground tunnels for bikes. That way you are sheltered from the weather and car traffic. And bike tunnels are smaller and cheaper to dig than car or subway tunnels.
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^Except in places with high water tables.
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Also ... who wants to bike in a tunnel?
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And you could pump all the air out of them to eliminate aerodynamic drag and cut commute times.
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Maybe those are the ones that don't wave and they are just waiting for a reason.
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That said, this is largely a pipe dream since I agree with most of the infrastructure points above.
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Take time to notice all the various forums here, like this one:
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/
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A&S exists because of automobile & oil industry politics influencing urban planning creating the conflict with all other modes that A&S seeks to address.
P&R is for complaining and taking pot-shots that whoever you don't like is the cause of the world's ills & proclaiming whoever it is you do like is the saviour of humanity.
This thread belongs to A&S with all the other wishes & proposals for mode conflict solutions caused by poor political policy.
P&R is for complaining and taking pot-shots that whoever you don't like is the cause of the world's ills & proclaiming whoever it is you do like is the saviour of humanity.
This thread belongs to A&S with all the other wishes & proposals for mode conflict solutions caused by poor political policy.
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Car dependency is a tax.
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I love bikes, one of the reasons I am here, however, right now it is 7° F outside, even when it is 68° and sunny, I still live 2+ miles up an 8% grade. I'm not sure a bike rack will help.
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The city I grew up in...
If you were to commute from most areas into the center of the city - the business district...
You would get shot and have your bike stolen.
If you were to commute from most areas into the center of the city - the business district...
You would get shot and have your bike stolen.
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I predicted e-bikes will catch on the instant I saw a group of cool teenagers riding them. No licence=no problem - Now you've got a ride!
The change will be very gradual. Urban areas without room for cars will embrace bikes. The financially challenged will embrace e-bikes. Younger riders will embrace e-bikes and then schools and colleges will as well. Those riders will grow up with them. Infrastructure will follow.
"E" does more for bikes than it does for cars. E-bikes have a long way to go, but fortunately the government is staying out of it for now. Look in the future for e-car charging stations that also support bike charging.
The change will be very gradual. Urban areas without room for cars will embrace bikes. The financially challenged will embrace e-bikes. Younger riders will embrace e-bikes and then schools and colleges will as well. Those riders will grow up with them. Infrastructure will follow.
"E" does more for bikes than it does for cars. E-bikes have a long way to go, but fortunately the government is staying out of it for now. Look in the future for e-car charging stations that also support bike charging.
The other aspect is eliminating cycling as exercise or improving health. While that might be admirable, it will never be an overall motivator for people in general.
Jumping on an e-bike to visit a friend close by or a short non-transport errand on MUP systems laid out to eliminate stops makes it a benefit not a chore.
Our twin sons both ended up in AZ and are a few miles from each other. Neither would ride an e-bike to work or shopping, but to stop by the other’s house it is faster and easier to jump on a e-bike hit a few streets and a MUP. But it will never happen in the Summer.
There are very few who will inconvenience themselves for the benefit of the masses who will not.
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Bicycles were not a dominant transportation mode before everyone had a car. Hard to imagine that happening now. E-bikes may have a modest impact on reducing auto travel in metropolitan areas. A small reduction is auto usage is the most one can hope for.
I live in a rural area, roughly 10 miles from anything. I love riding for pleasure but for practical transportation I'll always be in a motor vehicle.
I live in a rural area, roughly 10 miles from anything. I love riding for pleasure but for practical transportation I'll always be in a motor vehicle.
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"Qualifying applicants will get a voucher of up to $1,000 for a regular e-bike and up to $1,750 for a cargo or adaptive e-bike."
What happens in California usually spreads to other states, eventually.
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Bicycles were not a dominant transportation mode before everyone had a car. Hard to imagine that happening now. E-bikes may have a modest impact on reducing auto travel in metropolitan areas. A small reduction is auto usage is the most one can hope for.
I live in a rural area, roughly 10 miles from anything. I love riding for pleasure but for practical transportation I'll always be in a motor vehicle.
I live in a rural area, roughly 10 miles from anything. I love riding for pleasure but for practical transportation I'll always be in a motor vehicle.
Livin' 10 miles out of town, you can still ride a horse for your errands. Sure is cheaper than a car these days and probably healthy for the horse to get out of the barn once in a while.
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Before the automobile, horses were the dominant mode of travel. Bicycles were popular because they were just as convenient with none of the cost or upkeep a horse required. It was only mass production that shifted the cost/convenience curve in favor of automobiles.
Livin' 10 miles out of town, you can still ride a horse for your errands. Sure is cheaper than a car these days and probably healthy for the horse to get out of the barn once in a while.
Livin' 10 miles out of town, you can still ride a horse for your errands. Sure is cheaper than a car these days and probably healthy for the horse to get out of the barn once in a while.
In the 1800s there was some outcry about bicyclists riding on the roads because they (allegedly) scared the horses. I read an article from the Rochester Historical Society archives on restrictions proposed for bicycles in the city for that reason. Wish I could link it but I've never been able to find it again.
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From what I have heard, horses in urban areas were untenable because of the waste issues ..... incontinent animals, high volumes of waste, disease .....
Nothing gets over the biggest issue with cycling---it Is Work. yes, riding a horse takes some effort, but riding a bike takes a lot more .... and riding a horse uphill carrying a sizeable load takes the same effort as riding on the flat, while riding a bike uphill with a big load takes a lot of effort. And a lot of the Earth has hills.
Nothing gets over the biggest issue with cycling---it Is Work. yes, riding a horse takes some effort, but riding a bike takes a lot more .... and riding a horse uphill carrying a sizeable load takes the same effort as riding on the flat, while riding a bike uphill with a big load takes a lot of effort. And a lot of the Earth has hills.
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