Anyone have a Litespeed Arenberg (current generation) as a road bike?
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Anyone have a Litespeed Arenberg (current generation) as a road bike?
Anyone buy a Litespeed or specifically a Litespeed Arenberg (current generation) as a road bike?
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Looks nice! $3K for a legit MUSA Ti bike with full 105 is a good price.Link
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Pay the extra for the T47 BB upgrade. No excuse for a cheap-ass press fit in a metal frame.
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Agreed...
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Press Fit has a larger potential for misalignment. T47 or BSA tends to have fewer issues, not always, but fewer, and allows for a little bit of forgiveness for frame variances. If you don't want to spend the cash with them, look into something like BBInfinite or Hambini. They both have very nice BB's. Hambini even has a Ti BSA and DUB to fit 30mm axles.
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64 mm of trail and 19 mm of wheel flop with 28mm tires. Even worse with larger tires. That'd be a big no for me, you'd have to fight the bars to keep the front wheel straight when out of the saddle climbing or sprinting. I'd want something in the mid 50s.
As the others have said, T47 BB over pressfit. Every time.
This guy seems to feel as I do.
Trail Does NOT Make a Bike Stable – Rene Herse Cycles
As the others have said, T47 BB over pressfit. Every time.
This guy seems to feel as I do.
Trail Does NOT Make a Bike Stable – Rene Herse Cycles
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64 mm of trail and 19 mm of wheel flop with 28mm tires. Even worse with larger tires. That'd be a big no for me, you'd have to fight the bars to keep the front wheel straight when out of the saddle climbing or sprinting. I'd want something in the mid 50s.
As the others have said, T47 BB over pressfit. Every time.
This guy seems to feel as I do.
Trail Does NOT Make a Bike Stable – Rene Herse Cycles
As the others have said, T47 BB over pressfit. Every time.
This guy seems to feel as I do.
Trail Does NOT Make a Bike Stable – Rene Herse Cycles
I am more wondering about first hand experience, rather than calculations, but based on what your preference for mid-50s, then neither a Giant Defy (58 trail) nor a TCR (59 trail) are for you, both of which I found quite comfortable rides. Nor my current Domane at 61, which hasn't been an issue for me (no fighting the handlebars). Nor is the Canyon Endurance at a trail of 60. All of these are well regarded bikes AFAIK.
I don't do races or large climbs. Just exercise rides. We may be looking for different things.
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Press Fit has a larger potential for misalignment. T47 or BSA tends to have fewer issues, not always, but fewer, and allows for a little bit of forgiveness for frame variances. If you don't want to spend the cash with them, look into something like BBInfinite or Hambini. They both have very nice BB's. Hambini even has a Ti BSA and DUB to fit 30mm axles.
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Thanks Sy. I just got off the phone with Litespeed, and they said both BBs are great, but they said it's easier to work on a T47, so if I am doing my own work (not yet), the T47 is preferred, but either are great. My concern is which will have the most options if a I need a new one in like 7-10 years.
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Yea that's fair, I was thinking more of CF, so good call out.
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Thanks Sy. I just got off the phone with Litespeed, and they said both BBs are great, but they said it's easier to work on a T47, so if I am doing my own work (not yet), the T47 is preferred, but either are great. My concern is which will have the most options if a I need a new one in like 7-10 years.
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Thanks for the read.
I am more wondering about first hand experience, rather than calculations, but based on what your preference for mid-50s, then neither a Giant Defy (58 trail) nor a TCR (59 trail) are for you, both of which I found quite comfortable rides. Nor my current Domane at 61, which hasn't been an issue for me (no fighting the handlebars). Nor is the Canyon Endurance at a trail of 60. All of these are well regarded bikes AFAIK.
I don't do races or large climbs. Just exercise rides. We may be looking for different things.
I am more wondering about first hand experience, rather than calculations, but based on what your preference for mid-50s, then neither a Giant Defy (58 trail) nor a TCR (59 trail) are for you, both of which I found quite comfortable rides. Nor my current Domane at 61, which hasn't been an issue for me (no fighting the handlebars). Nor is the Canyon Endurance at a trail of 60. All of these are well regarded bikes AFAIK.
I don't do races or large climbs. Just exercise rides. We may be looking for different things.
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Press Fit has a larger potential for misalignment. T47 or BSA tends to have fewer issues, not always, but fewer, and allows for a little bit of forgiveness for frame variances. If you don't want to spend the cash with them, look into something like BBInfinite or Hambini. They both have very nice BB's. Hambini even has a Ti BSA and DUB to fit 30mm axles.
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This particular point is of interest to me. I believe prevailing wisdom is incorrect. Prevailing wisdom is that PressFit was a nightmare and many manufacturers went back to threaded to reduce warranty claims expense. This is true. However, the cause was that carbon-epoxy manufacturing did not materialize within spec'ed tolerances and so it was simply easier - not better - to switch to threaded to avoid resolving carbon-expoxy cure shrinkage and distortion. However, with a Ti frame, this cylinder is bored out perfectly round and perfectly sized so therefore the cause of the noise around pressfit would be eradicated. Further, there appears to be an advantage in pressfit - and Canyon and others are staying with it still while Specd has reverted to threaded - both in weight and in engineering. Apparently all bearings are pressfit and its just that BSA attaches these to the outside via threads but this is not as elegant as an inline internal bearing design. I'd like to hear intelligent and informed points around these facts.
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I am with the T47 folks. as a maintenance engineer for many years I like the larger size bearings and is much simpler and takes just minutes to change out with a cheap wrench as opposed to a press fit which needs a removal tool and then a bearing press. I also don't like a press fit when there are large torsional force as in a BB which if there is any movement can cause the squeaks. The T47 may not be "elegant" but on my Tuscany and Firenze I don't mind the tiny extra watts needed for the additional wind resistance and weight.
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I don't mind pressing in the bb bearings but I hate hammering and extracting the bb. Just does not seem good on the frame. I prefer threaded BB by a wide margin.
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Sorry to revive this ancient thread, but I just commissioned one of these, and I'm really looking forward to its arrival. I haven't yet found too many first-hand reviews and came here in search of some. I'll be back to add my thoughts in a few weeks when the bike is delivered. Cheers!
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Congrats! Go ahead and start your own thread when you get it since this one got sidetracked.