Weight-Weenieism
#76
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,795
Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3514 Post(s)
Liked 2,927 Times
in
1,776 Posts
#77
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,820
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 504 Post(s)
Liked 634 Times
in
374 Posts
hydrogen isn’t nearly as flammable as they would have you believe. Airships take no fuel to stay afloat and are better for the environment. They just had to have one dude go “ooh the humanity!” and it tanked the entire industry. The Hindenburg was a false flag/psyop, even in the official narrative only a third of the passengers died. They also severely understate the carrying capacity of the ships. They are huge, you could fit a velodrome up there, and they claim modern aircrafts can fit more people.
#79
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,995
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2700 Post(s)
Liked 486 Times
in
351 Posts
The airplane industry did to airships what the car industry did to electric trams in big cities. This was because they already had their eyes at the stars and were pondering spaceflight. Airships are a dead end for that purpose
#80
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,795
Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3514 Post(s)
Liked 2,927 Times
in
1,776 Posts
Electric "trams?" HAHAHAHA! You do realize that the "tram" companies went out of business because they couldn't make any money, right? Why do you think all the railroads stopped offering passenger service? Big Highway? Spoiler alert: THERE'S NO MONEY IN HAULING PASSENGERS.
#81
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,995
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2700 Post(s)
Liked 486 Times
in
351 Posts
General Motors and others paid vandals to destroy lines so they couldn’t make money, then bought and killed them
Likes For LarrySellerz:
#82
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2021
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,039
Bikes: addict, aethos, creo, vanmoof, sirrus, public ...
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1279 Post(s)
Liked 1,393 Times
in
711 Posts
yeah, weird how things (cars) seem cheaper / more profitable when you run them on a network of infrastructure and incredibly valuable land that someone else (the public at large) pays for regardless of whether or not they use it. the hidden costs of the automobile are staggering, with most other transit systems they’re right out front, paid for, and fretted over as the fare box recovery ratio. the recovery ratio from driving on anything but a toll road is nearly 0%.
Likes For mschwett:
#83
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,954
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3956 Post(s)
Liked 7,309 Times
in
2,949 Posts
hydrogen isn’t nearly as flammable as they would have you believe. Airships take no fuel to stay afloat and are better for the environment. They just had to have one dude go “ooh the humanity!” and it tanked the entire industry. The Hindenburg was a false flag/psyop, even in the official narrative only a third of the passengers died. They also severely understate the carrying capacity of the ships. They are huge, you could fit a velodrome up there, and they claim modern aircrafts can fit more people.
#84
Commuter
Join Date: Jun 2022
Location: SE Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 541
Bikes: Main Bikes: 2023 Trek Domane AL3, 2022 Aventon Level.2 eBike, 1972 Schwinn Varsity, 2024 Priority Apollo 11
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 238 Post(s)
Liked 323 Times
in
196 Posts
I have a cycling buddy at work who is a minor league weight weenie. He's at least 40 lbs. overweight, but he admits he does it because he's fascinated with the state-of-the-art equipment. He also just bought a very expensive SureFire flashlight that he will not use to its design envelope.
I think most of us do it somewhere or other. If it's not weight, it's some other thing to geek out over.
I bought my first good road bike, a low range Domane. It weighed 23 lbs. out of the box. My friend's carbon Madone is more like 16 lbs. But my previous/other road bike (Trek Verve 3) weighs probably 35 lbs, so this "heavy" Domane feels featherweight to me. I tell myself if I can lose the 30 lbs.I should, I'll treat myself to a lighter bike. :-)
#86
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,795
Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3514 Post(s)
Liked 2,927 Times
in
1,776 Posts
https://www.messynessychic.com/2016/...the-streetcar/
General Motors and others paid vandals to destroy lines so they couldn’t make money, then bought and killed them
General Motors and others paid vandals to destroy lines so they couldn’t make money, then bought and killed them
#87
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,795
Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3514 Post(s)
Liked 2,927 Times
in
1,776 Posts
yeah, weird how things (cars) seem cheaper / more profitable when you run them on a network of infrastructure and incredibly valuable land that someone else (the public at large) pays for regardless of whether or not they use it. the hidden costs of the automobile are staggering, with most other transit systems they’re right out front, paid for, and fretted over as the fare box recovery ratio. the recovery ratio from driving on anything but a toll road is nearly 0%.
#88
climber has-been
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 7,111
Bikes: Scott Addict R1, Felt Z1
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3432 Post(s)
Liked 3,567 Times
in
1,793 Posts
Body weight is an ongoing process that never ends. And some of us are very low body fat types and can't afford to lose what we have.
My new wheelset was delivered yesterday, 1260 grams as advertised. But the skewers (not included in the 1260 grams) weigh 120 grams, the horror! Off to shop for some lightweight skewers.
It's not a problem, it's a hobby.
#89
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Posts: 9,847
Bikes: Kirk Custom JK Special, '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) 80?? SR Semi-Pro 600 Arabesque
Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2338 Post(s)
Liked 2,827 Times
in
1,543 Posts
I think you tip into the abyss when you accept less function/performance for reduced weight
__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light frame/fork or for Raleigh International frame fork 58cm)
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light frame/fork or for Raleigh International frame fork 58cm)
Likes For squirtdad:
#90
With a mighty wind
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 2,595
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1088 Post(s)
Liked 862 Times
in
490 Posts
Dropping bike weight is a "one and done" act, and the weight loss is permanent. It won't go up, even if you binge shop on Amazon.
Body weight is an ongoing process that never ends. And some of us are very low body fat types and can't afford to lose what we have.
My new wheelset was delivered yesterday, 1260 grams as advertised. But the skewers (not included in the 1260 grams) weigh 120 grams, the horror! Off to shop for some lightweight skewers.
It's not a problem, it's a hobby.
Body weight is an ongoing process that never ends. And some of us are very low body fat types and can't afford to lose what we have.
My new wheelset was delivered yesterday, 1260 grams as advertised. But the skewers (not included in the 1260 grams) weigh 120 grams, the horror! Off to shop for some lightweight skewers.
It's not a problem, it's a hobby.
Likes For rosefarts:
#91
Habitual User
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 7,997
Bikes: 2023 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2018 Trek Procaliber 9.9 RSL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4957 Post(s)
Liked 8,099 Times
in
3,833 Posts
Yet, airlines manage to stay in business. I don't know much about how airlines operate to elaborate any further. It's just an observation of an example that is contrary to your statement.
__________________
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
Last edited by Eric F; 02-09-24 at 12:51 PM.
#92
Full Member
Serious question here: It has been apparent and still is, based on some of the posts on this thread, that some folks will spend quite a bit of money to lose what amounts to ounces here and there to have a light bike. How do you folks who consider yourselves 'weight weinees' feel about the advent of hydraulic disc brakes? Just like that, the industry pretty much created a new standard that appears to go against the 'lighter is better' mantra that they emphasized for so many years.
#93
Habitual User
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 7,997
Bikes: 2023 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2018 Trek Procaliber 9.9 RSL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4957 Post(s)
Liked 8,099 Times
in
3,833 Posts
#94
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,795
Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3514 Post(s)
Liked 2,927 Times
in
1,776 Posts
What's an airline ticket cost? A bus token?
#95
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 12,909
Bikes: (2) ti TiCycles, 2007 w/ triple and 2011 fixed, 1979 Peter Mooney, ~1983 Trek 420 now fixed and ~1973 Raleigh Carlton Competition gravel grinder
Mentioned: 129 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4806 Post(s)
Liked 3,932 Times
in
2,557 Posts
I'm setting up my 2nd Pro Miyata. (First has epic rust. Sweet, sweet ride so a total keeper but finding the exact same frame without - I'm going for it! The new came with parts. A nice racing, aero Shimano. Single bolt but with a set screw to adjust tilt. Never saw that before but I like it. I was riding a 2-bolt grey anodized SunTour that I figured was an MTB post (as opposed to the polished aluminum finish of my more expensive SunTour).
So, what the heck. I've got both posts out of their frames. Might as well weigh them. (4 kg scale I use for coffee.) Knowing full well the racing Shimano post was going to weigh less than the MTB SunTour. Shimano - 270 gm. Not too bad. Put the SunTour on. 200 gm! Wow! Guess its staying my ride.
2 1/2 ounces off. What can I do next?
So, what the heck. I've got both posts out of their frames. Might as well weigh them. (4 kg scale I use for coffee.) Knowing full well the racing Shimano post was going to weigh less than the MTB SunTour. Shimano - 270 gm. Not too bad. Put the SunTour on. 200 gm! Wow! Guess its staying my ride.
2 1/2 ounces off. What can I do next?
#96
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,795
Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3514 Post(s)
Liked 2,927 Times
in
1,776 Posts
#97
Habitual User
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 7,997
Bikes: 2023 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2018 Trek Procaliber 9.9 RSL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4957 Post(s)
Liked 8,099 Times
in
3,833 Posts
You didn't include any price qualifiers in your statement. Airlines are privately-owned public transportation that continues to survive. Maybe ticket prices are able to support the business. Maybe there are other contributing factors involved. Like I said, I don't know the airline business.
__________________
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
#98
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,795
Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3514 Post(s)
Liked 2,927 Times
in
1,776 Posts
#99
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,795
Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3514 Post(s)
Liked 2,927 Times
in
1,776 Posts
You didn't include any price qualifiers in your statement. Airlines are privately-owned public transportation that continues to survive. Maybe ticket prices are able to support the business. Maybe there are other contributing factors involved. Like I said, I don't know the airline business.
Do you know any private bus/trolley/municipal transit lines that are profitable?
#100
Habitual User
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 7,997
Bikes: 2023 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2018 Trek Procaliber 9.9 RSL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4957 Post(s)
Liked 8,099 Times
in
3,833 Posts
I agree with you that privately-owned public GROUND transportation has not proven to be widely successful. That said, there may be examples that I'm not aware of. In my limited knowledge, it seems like most current systems rely heavily on tax money. I suppose services like Uber could be considered "privately-owned public transportation", but I assumed you meant vehicles for hauling large quantities of people (bus, tram, etc.).
__________________
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
Likes For Eric F: