Klein Built Cannondale??
01-16-20, 04:53 PM
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Look at the pictures again, post #20 . Its the non-drive side seat stay. Looks like someone dropped an anvil on it and then VERY crudely rewelded it back on to the drop out. Chain stay dimples are normal.
I didn't see the damaged stay either the first time I looked at this thread.
I didn't see the damaged stay either the first time I looked at this thread.
I don't think anybody's missing that crazily-bent bit on the non-drive seatstay. But I don't see any damage on either chainstay, other than some paint loss on the drive side.
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01-16-20, 04:59 PM
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Look at the pictures again, post #20 . Its the non-drive side seat stay. Looks like someone dropped an anvil on it and then VERY crudely rewelded it back on to the drop out. Chain stay dimples are normal.
I didn't see the damaged stay either the first time I looked at this thread.
I didn't see the damaged stay either the first time I looked at this thread.
I was replying to him that the dents look like the typical dimples found on Cannondale frames.
Yes the horrific seat stays are...horrific.
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Just for reference...
Some unrefined welds...
Some unrefined welds...
01-16-20, 06:07 PM
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01-16-20, 06:33 PM
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My recollection of Klein frames of that era, had pressed in sealed cartridge bottom brackets. So if it were a proto-type it would likely have the same treatment. This thing is a wreck waiting to happen, and some-one will likely be hurt. I seriously doubt the seller has the liability insurance to cover his arse when it does. No smiles, MH
01-16-20, 07:22 PM
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01-16-20, 07:33 PM
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Is $150 a good price for a used accordion? I'm not familiar with musical instrument pricing - vintage or modern.
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He's referring to the dimples added to the chainstays for pedal clearance - which were done at the factory. Klein's Medusa frameset had a similar treatment.
I don't think anybody's missing that crazily-bent bit on the non-drive seatstay. But I don't see any damage on either chainstay, other than some paint loss on the drive side.
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I don't think anybody's missing that crazily-bent bit on the non-drive seatstay. But I don't see any damage on either chainstay, other than some paint loss on the drive side.
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01-16-20, 08:11 PM
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While they only show one side look close I see damage on both sides top and bottom and some really ugly repairs, To me this is a $100 parts in it's current condition. Very interesting damage as it could not be done with the wheels on the bike and it's the same on both sides.
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01-16-20, 09:14 PM
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Some of the older, nicer ones can be a little pricey, especially if they come with all the bells and whistles. Not unlike old bicycles in that regard.
01-16-20, 09:43 PM
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...depends a lot on the maker's name, the size, condition, and age of the accordion, and the tone quality (which has a lot to do with the reeds.)
Some of the older, nicer ones can be a little pricey, especially if they come with all the bells and whistles. Not unlike old bicycles in that regard.
Some of the older, nicer ones can be a little pricey, especially if they come with all the bells and whistles. Not unlike old bicycles in that regard.
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I wonder if this is indeed a Klein built bike intended either as one of bikes Klein would build for Cannondale (like Giant does now for the rest of the world) or to interest Cannondale in paying for the rights to the patents. Perhaps Cannondale, after taking a few spins on that bike, decided to just make the bikes and turn their back on Klein.
That bike sure looks like a Klein of the time. I never owned one but I regularly stopped in at Open Air Cycling in Boston when I was back east to see my folks. They carried Kleins from the late '70s until they closed. I regularly saw the newest Kleins for years before I ever saw or heard of a Cannondale.
Fun bit: I took a spin on a Klein in 1976, Gary Klein showed up at an NEBC Thursday night club race and encouraged us all to do so. I knew immediately that bike was going to change the cycling world. When Cannondale claimed their bike was something new 5-6 years later, I just shook my head. "Yes, but it wasn't your idea."
Edit: as I recall, not all Kleins had matching paint on their forks. PRobably to emphasis the frame was of a different material. (Proceeding the carbon forks on aluminum and steel bikes by a decade or so.) That fork doesn't strike my memory as being either "wrong" or a replacement.
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That bike sure looks like a Klein of the time. I never owned one but I regularly stopped in at Open Air Cycling in Boston when I was back east to see my folks. They carried Kleins from the late '70s until they closed. I regularly saw the newest Kleins for years before I ever saw or heard of a Cannondale.
Fun bit: I took a spin on a Klein in 1976, Gary Klein showed up at an NEBC Thursday night club race and encouraged us all to do so. I knew immediately that bike was going to change the cycling world. When Cannondale claimed their bike was something new 5-6 years later, I just shook my head. "Yes, but it wasn't your idea."
Edit: as I recall, not all Kleins had matching paint on their forks. PRobably to emphasis the frame was of a different material. (Proceeding the carbon forks on aluminum and steel bikes by a decade or so.) That fork doesn't strike my memory as being either "wrong" or a replacement.
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thought as an all day road race bike it might be too harsh but in a Criterium, That is what I would want.
it felt like everything went to the rear wheel and the ground.
then thought - Patented? Yes, I saw the earlier Bicycling magazine articles but saw the prior Velo News article showing an oversized aluminum tubed bike by Shook too... can you say prior art?
01-17-20, 08:11 AM
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The listing has ended because "there was an error in the listing."
Yeah, no kidding.............
Yeah, no kidding.............
01-17-20, 08:22 AM
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Anybody seen this??
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283388397210
Klein built a "prototype" for Cannondale?
I can't believe it for a second..............Gary Klein sued Cannondale over patent infringement.
So, why would he build them a "prototype?"
I have inquired as to a serial # on this bike.
ST frames/bikes emerged in 1983,
The SR geometry frames didn't hit the market til '85
I own an '85 with the same paint and decals as the one in the auction.
We'll see.........
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283388397210
Klein built a "prototype" for Cannondale?
I can't believe it for a second..............Gary Klein sued Cannondale over patent infringement.
So, why would he build them a "prototype?"
I have inquired as to a serial # on this bike.
ST frames/bikes emerged in 1983,
The SR geometry frames didn't hit the market til '85
I own an '85 with the same paint and decals as the one in the auction.
We'll see.........
01-17-20, 08:36 AM
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OMFG!!!
Took me a minute to get to the (now closed) auction, and at first I only saw the bent seatstay and thought, 'well that frame is toast'. Then I looked closer and saw the weld 'repairs'
Took me a minute to get to the (now closed) auction, and at first I only saw the bent seatstay and thought, 'well that frame is toast'. Then I looked closer and saw the weld 'repairs'
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And, there has never been a horse who was flogged into winning a race after it was dead.
BUT
There was a jockey who won a race when he was dead!
Named Frank Hayes and he died of a heart attack while on the back stretch of a race in 1923.
He remained in the saddle and the horse won the race!
BUT
There was a jockey who won a race when he was dead!
Named Frank Hayes and he died of a heart attack while on the back stretch of a race in 1923.
He remained in the saddle and the horse won the race!
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Totally off-topic, but I saw something in this photo that gave me pause: what caused the symmetrical discolorations to the sidewalls - particularly on the front tire? I mean, I've seen sidewalls get dirtied up from brake dust mixing with rainwater, however the discoloration is pretty consistent and uniform. Just wondering
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