Brian Mc

I hope this is ok to post here vs the "What's it worth" forum. If not, please advise.

I've found an otherwise original looking 23.5" black Competition GS with what must be replacement stickers. It looks excellent, with the exception of some rusts spots on the chrome. The "Paint by Keith Anderson" is on the left chainstay.

I'm wondering if the repaint detracts from the value of this bike or if the reputation of the painter would nullify the fact it's redone.

Thank you.

Brian

repechage

The paint is undoubtedly better than original.
He does nice work, I am sure the seller is taking a bath on the sale.

sloar 

I love the quality painting done by certain professional painters. But, I would be pissed to find their giant advertising logo on my frame.

rootboy 

Original, minty paint would undoubtedly be more desirable to a collector.
But it hardly matters on this bike. Nice as it is.
Like Repechage sez, paint by Keith is undoubtedly better than the original paint.

I'd like to see some close up detail shots.

rootboy 

I agree. But I suppose they do it for more reasons than advertising. Like, so no one could try to pass it off as being 100% original.

SJX426 

If there is documented support of really bad original condition, I would be happy to consider Keith's signature on the stay. It tells me that the bike was taken care of and will last a bit longer with a quality refinish by a competent refinisher.

fender1

Not much. Once the original paint is gone, so is a lot of the value, regardless of who does the repaint. Collectors are a fickle bunch. I have had frames repainted from time to time and have always taken a bath when selling them.

steelbikeguy

hey Brian, how can you post about a shiny new paint job on a nice Raleigh and not post pictures?!

I've been through a few Raleighs, and their paint was never all that durable. For a black bike, I don't see a lot of downside to having nice new paint. It's not like you are trying to match the exact red of a Raleigh Team bike or get the blue mink of a Professional just right.

I've got a Raleigh International in great shape, but the paint and workmanship isn't particularly great. The paint is a "flamboyant", or candy, scheme, which I think is pretty cool and would be expensive to duplicate. The Competition was the next lower model, and probably had similar workmanship. As long as Keith kept a similar sort of finish, i.e. not too glossy or thick, it should be better than new.

I'm curious about the financial aspect of the project. A new paint job is rather pricey compared to the cost of a well used Competition frame. On the other hand, it's probably a good deal cheaper than a lot of frames currently being produced. It's probably a good value if you plan to ride the bike a long time. Not so good if your plan is to resell it quickly. What were the things or aspects that you debated prior to making the decision to repaint?
edit: oops... I see that the current owner had it repainted. It couldn't have been cheap. Personally, if the paint was done well, it should help the value. The rust would be a bigger concern, especially since the new paint will increase the bike's price <end of edit>

Steve in Peoria

John E

A tale of two Capos -- my Sieger has its original paint, warts and all, and my Modell Campagnolo has a beautiful (and labeled) CyclArt paint job, which I splurged on because it had already been repainted a dull Rustoleum red before I bought it. I have never regretted either decision -- the very rare top-of-the-line Sieger stays all original, including components, whereas the more modest and common Modell Campagnolo has updated and upgraded components, looks stunning, and is probably worth less than 20% of what the Sieger is.

Brian Mc

I am currently in the negotiation stage for buying this bike, I do not own it yet. When I saw it, it was a little dusty. I'm a little confused about a quality paint job on a GS, but then to have rust spots on the chrome. I would tell you where the negotiations started, but I think people would consider me a cheapskate or foolish for not buying it outright. I simply don't need/want it that bad. If I don't get together with her, I'll ask if she'd like me to say so in this thread and forward an email for her.
I would purchase only with the intent to ride.

repechage

Unlike some, if you ask ahead of time Keith will not apply his logo.

southpawboston

Eh, I disagree. It's a point of pride, the mark of a craftsman. I asked Keith to make sure my Jeff Lyon custom got Keith's nice insignia down on the chainstay.



Same reason I like to put Velo Lumino decals on all the custom wiring jobs I do on customers' bikes, or on bikes that feature my lighting components:



Anton

gugie 

Hmmmmmm, 23.5 Competition, I already have one of those, repaint was by Ed Litton, no way I'll ever recover that dough! The paint was for my vanity, pure and simple, and makes the bike go faster. I can prove this. Many times when I go out riding with Big Red someone will see it and say "nice bike!" This makes me feel better about myself, and naturally pick up the pace. There have been a few times where someone pulled up alongside me and chatted me, surely because of the paint job. I consider this a competitive advantage as that person would have passed me.

But if you don't buy it, feel free to PM me...looking at your list of vintage bikes you already have, you clearly don't need another...don't ask my wife whether I meet that definition as well...

Post a pic of that 75 Raleigh Super Course II! That was the exact year I purchased when I was 15.

gugie 

Anton, I'll see your sticker and raise you one.

bikemig 

I agree. I looked at this bike when it was first posted and passed. I really really don't need another bike but I had exactly the same questions that you do esp. the rust on the fork. Bottom line is I agree with the others; value the bike as a rider rather than a collectible. The current price on CL is decent; if you are doing better than that, you are getting a reasonable deal.

Brian Mc

bikemig, time will tell.

gugie, here it is. I'm sorting out a reasonable chainring for the SA X-RF8(W) hub I've gon on it.
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nlerner

I think CycleArt's sticker is a bit excessive:

bikemig 

That's a cool bike; maybe we need to put together a C&V IA ride together one of these days.

Brian Mc

Splendid idea! I know a couple other riders that would be up. Are you in Central Iowa?

I've done the Tweed Ride the last three years, much fun. My buddie Lugs from Bike World organizes it.

Here's my Tweed Steed:

bikemig 

I'm in Des Moines which is pretty central, . I know of a few other local BF members who would be up for a local C&V ride particularly if it includes post ride hydration,

Brian Mc

IE Mullets, Confluence, 515 and so forth? Bring it ON!

fender1

PM me. I have 3 frame sets soon to be on the block: 73' Pro (good chrome, needs paint 23.5" and has fender eyelets) 74 Competition (needs paint, chrome on fork only, none on the rear stays ok conditon, 23.5") and 75 Super Tourer 24.5" excellent paint & chrome. All are frame/fork and original headsets. Maybe a package deal?

gugie 

Nicely done! That paint job is in great shape.

Here's an old photo of mine from 1977:



I sold it around 1983. Been kicking myself ever since.

RobbieTunes

Wouldn't matter to me at all. Tires have logos, frames have logos, components have logos. We'd be ticked if they didn't.

Brian Mc

I am wildly fond of the white bands on the red and to a lessor extent green mid 70's Super Course II's. Naturally I prefer the speed advantage of the red, but I found a marvelous example of a green one with Blumels, a lovely tan B17 and bar ends at a bargain price when my girlfriend was looking for a bike to give her son last summer. If I cold find a green mixte for her we'd be in hog heaven. Oh, wait. I'm in Iowa- this is hog heaven.