Don't tell me carbon fiber doesn't suck....
06-25-08, 08:54 AM
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06-25-08, 08:54 AM
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Hey they're jocks, and everyone knows jocks aren't too smart.
Seriously though, it's pretty silly for someone to blame carbon because of an unfortunate crash that caused a crack because now that we know it wasn't just a soft patch of grass, a frame of any other material would have sustained similar damage. I've heard of titanium cracking as well so if the OP thinks it's not possible to break it then he's kidding himself because bikes are not indestructable.
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06-25-08, 08:57 AM
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I think it's just in reaction of the thread title and the way the OP described the incident in post #1.
Condemning the material rather than his actions. Also by not being totally forthcoming in the original
post about the bike hitting the curb. The OP's replies also contributed to the piling on of sorts.
And yes, we are cruel.
For the record, I ride steel and aluminum. I'm too cheap to buy carbon or Ti. I hear they break too easily.
Condemning the material rather than his actions. Also by not being totally forthcoming in the original
post about the bike hitting the curb. The OP's replies also contributed to the piling on of sorts.
And yes, we are cruel.
For the record, I ride steel and aluminum. I'm too cheap to buy carbon or Ti. I hear they break too easily.
06-25-08, 09:01 AM
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Dear OP,
Clip and save . . .
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That sucks, dude! For your frame to snap like that for completely no reason whatsoever. And right after you smoked your friends up the hill, too -- that's awful karma. Carbon is indeed the tool of the devil. That sh*t will crack if you look at it funny. You've convinced me: I'm going to throw away my carbon bikes right now.
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Clip and save . . .
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That sucks, dude! For your frame to snap like that for completely no reason whatsoever. And right after you smoked your friends up the hill, too -- that's awful karma. Carbon is indeed the tool of the devil. That sh*t will crack if you look at it funny. You've convinced me: I'm going to throw away my carbon bikes right now.
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06-25-08, 09:01 AM
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06-25-08, 09:04 AM
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>>God you guys are cruel.<<
We're just trying to be consistent with road cycling in general.
We're just trying to be consistent with road cycling in general.
06-25-08, 09:04 AM
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06-25-08, 09:14 AM
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Dear OP,
Clip and save . . .
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That sucks, dude! For your frame to snap like that for completely no reason whatsoever. And right after you smoked your friends up the hill, too -- that's awful karma. Carbon is indeed the tool of the devil. That sh*t will crack if you look at it funny. You've convinced me: I'm going to throw away my carbon bikes right now.
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Clip and save . . .
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That sucks, dude! For your frame to snap like that for completely no reason whatsoever. And right after you smoked your friends up the hill, too -- that's awful karma. Carbon is indeed the tool of the devil. That sh*t will crack if you look at it funny. You've convinced me: I'm going to throw away my carbon bikes right now.
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06-25-08, 09:15 AM
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Warranty's cover manufacturer's defects. If you run over it in the driveway, that's not warranty. Drop it off your car, not warranty.
Believe it or not, they are not in the business of providing free stuff due to user's accidents. A particular manufacturer may have a program (crash replacement that's been touched on in this thread) but you are not getting a free frame if you drop a hammer on it. Unless someone lied to Trek.
Example: A guy came in the other night with a 7 year old Colnago. Split in the head tube. About a half inch long, maybe 2mm wide. 2 year warranty. Called Colnago's US representative. "Sorry. Pound salt."
This kind of reminds me of a friend that had a Viper. As I recall, 12 cylinders, it was several hundred dollars for an oil change. As he said, "If you are spending everything to get something real nice like this, and can't afford the oil changes, you shouldn't buy it."
Believe it or not, they are not in the business of providing free stuff due to user's accidents. A particular manufacturer may have a program (crash replacement that's been touched on in this thread) but you are not getting a free frame if you drop a hammer on it. Unless someone lied to Trek.
Example: A guy came in the other night with a 7 year old Colnago. Split in the head tube. About a half inch long, maybe 2mm wide. 2 year warranty. Called Colnago's US representative. "Sorry. Pound salt."
This kind of reminds me of a friend that had a Viper. As I recall, 12 cylinders, it was several hundred dollars for an oil change. As he said, "If you are spending everything to get something real nice like this, and can't afford the oil changes, you shouldn't buy it."
It's a bit odd that people would expect a company to provide a new bike for something they're not responsible for. Defects should certainly be covered but accidents are not the company's fault unless the accident was the result of a flaw in design or manufacturing. Just because you spend a lot of money on something doesn't absolve you of personal responsibilty for your actions.
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06-25-08, 09:28 AM
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ohhhh foo....I went down (pure operator error) on my CF Parlee two weeks ago at @30mph....tore my right side up, big patch off the rear tire.....except for a screwed brake body on the right side of the bars the bike was fine! Perfectly fine. Beautifully fine.
I was nervous about going to carbon and its certainly not as strong as my Ti bike, but you dropped it on the grass???? and got a failure??? either you've got a lemon or something in your story is incorrect.
I was nervous about going to carbon and its certainly not as strong as my Ti bike, but you dropped it on the grass???? and got a failure??? either you've got a lemon or something in your story is incorrect.
06-25-08, 09:44 AM
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Specialized does have a decent crash replacement program. The biggest downside to the program is availability of frames. Sometimes they just have nothing and can't really tell you when they'll get something in for you. Going with Calfee will be cheaper. However, Specialized may offer you a Pro/Expert level frame for replacement, and I believe they may want you to send them the busted frame to get the new one (but I'm not 100% sure on that as I've decided to go with Calfee to repair a broken frame I have due to that main downside I mentioned).
I've had some tumbles (low speed and high speed) on carbon, and just a couple weeks ago, my friend knocked over my bike onto the pavement--hard. I've gotten scratched brifters, derailleurs, pedals, but none of those things broke my CF frames. My frame broke due to some stupidity on my part during transport on a rack, though my friend's carbon bike next to mine was scratched but relatively unscathed.
I've had some tumbles (low speed and high speed) on carbon, and just a couple weeks ago, my friend knocked over my bike onto the pavement--hard. I've gotten scratched brifters, derailleurs, pedals, but none of those things broke my CF frames. My frame broke due to some stupidity on my part during transport on a rack, though my friend's carbon bike next to mine was scratched but relatively unscathed.
06-25-08, 09:51 AM
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ohhhh foo....I went down (pure operator error) on my CF Parlee two weeks ago at @30mph....tore my right side up, big patch off the rear tire.....except for a screwed brake body on the right side of the bars the bike was fine! Perfectly fine. Beautifully fine.
I was nervous about going to carbon and its certainly not as strong as my Ti bike, but you dropped it on the grass???? and got a failure??? either you've got a lemon or something in your story is incorrect.
I was nervous about going to carbon and its certainly not as strong as my Ti bike, but you dropped it on the grass???? and got a failure??? either you've got a lemon or something in your story is incorrect.
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06-25-08, 10:29 AM
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Nothing funny about it. I had an old lady make a right turn in front of me last week. I was going about 20mph. I had to brake hard. I started to skid and had to ease off the brakes because I was about to slam into the side of the car now directly in front of me. I was able to get halfway around the front of the car and almost cleared it and would have if she didn't continue the turn. She hit me solid on the knee and elbow. Both the bike and I went flying. Luckily nothing broken on either of us. Unfortunately I think it is just going to get worse as the population continues to age and we have more and more people driving who have absolutely no business operating a motor vehicle.
06-25-08, 10:37 AM
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Just curious, suppose the op does bring his bike to calfee to be repaired, how would they do it? Do they sand of the clearcoat and rewrap the carbon?
06-25-08, 11:03 AM
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My next bike will be Adamantium.
Maybe Depleted Uranium.
It will be indestructable!
Maybe Depleted Uranium.
It will be indestructable!
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06-25-08, 11:04 AM
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To the OP:
We understand you're upset because you bricked a pretty expensive piece of equipment, but for the sake of the forum, please don't come to rant and condescend.
Thank you.
We understand you're upset because you bricked a pretty expensive piece of equipment, but for the sake of the forum, please don't come to rant and condescend.
Thank you.
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OK. I've got a Speciliazed roubaix Comp with 650 miles on it. Never crashed. Today in the middle of my club ride I was stopped waiting for the rest of the group at the half way point. I was exhausted from the climb and couldn't clip out fast enough and fell over on my right (landed in the grass). Didn't think anything of it until I get home and I'm wiping down the bike and I notice that the rear seat stay on the drive side has a 4 inch crack near the dropout. Unfriggin' believable. Carbon fiber crap. I am disgusted. OK this isn't a high modulus 10r weave like the S-works. But it is still over a $2K bike. What really has me freaked out is that at the end of the ride I was bombing down a couple hills at 38mph (fast for me). I am lucky that the thing didn't just fall apart on me. So for all of you carbon lover's who get pissed off every time someone posts something negative about your cherished frame material......go pound salt. Say whatever you want but I have first hand experience with how fragile a material it is.
My Lynskey Ti is on the way.
My Lynskey Ti is on the way.
06-25-08, 11:54 AM
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dude - blah blah blah whatever about your story. You hit something hard enough to mess up your dropouts pretty good. The physical evidence clearly shows the bike took a significant hit. Low speed, high speed whatever - doesn't matter. A steel frame probably would've taken damage but has the advantage that like carbon, it can be fixed. Aluminum would probably be shot.