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Old 03-14-24, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
How about a link to such a news story? Because this "pros ride gear proven to be slower" story sounds like bunk.
No link, but gotta wonder a little bit, why would a disc braked TT bike be faster than a rim-braked bike on a typical flat course. Forget the UCI's arbitrary limitations on minimum bike weight for a moment.
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Old 03-14-24, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent
Again what I am saying is that the UCI holds itself as the absolute governing body to keep records intact. Im just stating that new aero CF bikes are cheating the old guys that set records on round tube bikes.
When were CF bikes not allowed in record attempts? As far as I know they always have been. The fact that riders didn't choose to use them is hardly the UCI's fault.

If anything, the complaint should be that rules become more restrictive over time not less (limits to aerobar extension length and base bar width, restriction on aspect ratio of tubes, prohibition of telemetry between bike and coaches, etc.).
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Old 03-14-24, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
No link, but gotta wonder a little bit, why would a disc braked TT bike be faster than a rim-braked bike on a typical flat course. Forget the UCI's arbitrary limitations on minimum bike weight for a moment.
In theory, a rim braked bike would be faster than the equivalent disk braked one. In reality, development has continued on disk brake bikes and not on rim barked ones so that the fastest disk brake bikes available today are faster than the rim braked ones. A leading reason is UCI relaxed their aspect ratio rules for tubes but only disk bikes were designed to take advantage of it.
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Old 03-14-24, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
100yd dash?
I think that event’s been replaced by the 100 meter sprint.
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Old 03-14-24, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
100yd dash?
Again: equipment rules?
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Old 03-14-24, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
Again: equipment rules?
Well, the shoes obviously. Honestly no idea, but have the rules on these changed?
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Old 03-14-24, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
Well, the shoes obviously. Honestly no idea, but have the rules on these changed?
Yes, I don't know all the details but restrictions on carbon plates and midsole thickness were introduced in 2020.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
No link, but gotta wonder a little bit, why would a disc braked TT bike be faster than a rim-braked bike on a typical flat course. Forget the UCI's arbitrary limitations on minimum bike weight for a moment.
Better braking performance, especially in the wet. They really push the limits braking into corners on TT courses.
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Old 03-14-24, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by asgelle
Yes, I don't know all the details but restrictions on carbon plates and midsole thickness were introduced in 2020.
interesting! how about marathoning?
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Better braking performance, especially in the wet. They really push the limits braking into corners on TT courses.
I guess, when there are corners and it's wet. Otherwise?
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
interesting! how about marathoning?
Especially. The whole controversy started when Nike developed shoes with a carbon fiber plate (spring) and heavily padded midsole for the Sub-2 project to break the 2:00 barrier for the marathon.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
I guess, when there are corners and it's wet. Otherwise?
Then no need for any brakes.
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Old 03-14-24, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Then no need for any brakes.
Sometimes I like to slow down or stop on straight roads when it’s not raining. Weird, I know.

Luckily my rim brakes are on par with or surpass disks under those conditions.

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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Better braking performance, especially in the wet. They really push the limits braking into corners on TT courses.
And they need to brake hard into turns, because those TT bikes handle turns poorly.
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Originally Posted by smd4
Sometimes I like to slow down or stop on straight roads when it’s not raining. Weird, I know.

Luckily my rim brakes are on par with disks under those conditions.
It would certainly be weird to slow down and stop on a straight road during a TT.
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Old 03-14-24, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
It would certainly be weird to slow down and stop on a straight road during a TT.
Agreed. Luckily, I’m not doing any TTs. You?

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Old 03-14-24, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
Luckily, I’m not doing any TTs. You?
Ok so you obviously missed that we were discussing brakes on TT bikes.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Ok so you obviously missed that we were discussing brakes on TT bikes.
Ok so you obviously missed the turn off when Sy said “Otherwise?”

Pete, seriously, do you just like to argue for the sake of arguing? Isn’t there some Kate Middleton photo you can argue over?

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Old 03-14-24, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
ok so you obviously missed the turn off when sy said “otherwise?”

pete, seriously, do you just like to argue for the sake of arguing? Isn’t there some kate middleton photo you can argue over?
gtfooh. 😂
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Old 03-14-24, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent
TIt smells to high heaven like back in the 30s bike mfg with tons of tooling for DF frames leaned on the UCI to declare recumbent frame bikes, not a real bike, so they would not have to buy more tooling. Again, did money change hands.
I think we had an agreement about what you could post outside the 'bent forum, which this seems to violate. I know nobody in the 'bent forum would really want to discuss this, but that doesn't mean it's okay here.
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Old 03-14-24, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
gtfooh. 😂
Brilliant. As they say.
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Old 03-14-24, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Which records are you actually talking about?
The most numerous threads on BF whining about things that don't matter and most comments trying to convince others that bents are the best.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
It smells to high heaven like back in the 30s bike mfg with tons of tooling for DF frames leaned on the UCI to declare recumbent frame bikes, not a real bike, so they would not have to buy more tooling.
Seems like they just wanted to keep bike racing fast.

Why don’t y’all just start your own race? “Tour de Rhode Island” perhaps? Maybe would work better than playing the “victim.” Do you think anyone would watch?





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Old 03-14-24, 08:18 PM
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In short form, all I am saying is that no new speed or time records should be honored by the UCI if they are not set on a round tube bike.
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Old 03-14-24, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent
In short form, all I am saying is that no new speed or time records should be honored by the UCI if they are not set on a round tube bike.
Noted.
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