You're so fit...so has anyone mistaken your age?
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Ability to smell at least certain things that are decidedly harmful to our health, is also linked to our genetics. For example, some people are unable to smell hydrocyanic acid but most people can smell it. Just because some people cannot smell it, doesn’t mean they are impervious to the deadly affects of HCN. Some/many organic solvents are not, shall we say, good for your health! Because the effects of some solvents are not immediate on your health, it may not be obvious. Of course, compounds that take many years to show obvious damage, tend to go unnoticed for a long time. The industry that is benefiting from a direct and unequivocal link of harm tends to perpetuate the doubt and confusion about cause and effect. Cigarette industry is a good example.
There was a time when benzene and carbon terta chloride were commonly used as solvents, the former proved to be a carcinogen, and latter causes serious liver damage as well as tumors in liver. Less toxic solvents often cause lung inflammation and other damages which may end up resulting in lung fibrosis… depending on the nature of solvents, their dose and frequency of exposure.
If I were in your situation, I would definitely use an appropriate respirator while using solvents.
There was a time when benzene and carbon terta chloride were commonly used as solvents, the former proved to be a carcinogen, and latter causes serious liver damage as well as tumors in liver. Less toxic solvents often cause lung inflammation and other damages which may end up resulting in lung fibrosis… depending on the nature of solvents, their dose and frequency of exposure.
If I were in your situation, I would definitely use an appropriate respirator while using solvents.
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From the CNN article that Gobicycling posted, “they do more physically demanding activities like gardening or stair climbing”. If that is the criteria, I might qualify for the SuperAger Olympics, and this is not even a tenth of what I maintain. If not on the bike, this is where you will find me:
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That's stunning.
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I still have a decent head of hair, most of it is not gray yet, and my girlfriend flatters me by telling me I look 20 years younger than I actually am. But this Spring, on the eve of my 55th, we hosted a Warm Showers cyclist, Eddie, who is a bit developmentally disabled but otherwise highly functional. As we were sitting in the backyard having pizza, I asked Eddie to guess how old I was; he had done the same to me earlier in the evening so I thought it fitting on the eve of my birthday. Eddie gave me a good long stare and then said, "54...55?" He could have not been more right!
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Nice landscape/garden! 👍
Activities like gardening have benefits beyond simple physical exercise - it’s not only a very productive hobby, it is also great for relaxing one’s mind!
[PS: I haven’t read the CNN article, primarily because I no longer trust CNN, or for that matter most of the “popular” venues of dissemination of information.]
Activities like gardening have benefits beyond simple physical exercise - it’s not only a very productive hobby, it is also great for relaxing one’s mind!
[PS: I haven’t read the CNN article, primarily because I no longer trust CNN, or for that matter most of the “popular” venues of dissemination of information.]
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Nice landscape/garden! 👍
Activities like gardening have benefits beyond simple physical exercise - it’s not only a very productive hobby, it is also great for relaxing one’s mind!
[PS: I haven’t read the CNN article, primarily because I no longer trust CNN, or for that matter most of the “popular” venues of dissemination of information.]
Activities like gardening have benefits beyond simple physical exercise - it’s not only a very productive hobby, it is also great for relaxing one’s mind!
[PS: I haven’t read the CNN article, primarily because I no longer trust CNN, or for that matter most of the “popular” venues of dissemination of information.]
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Of course, I may well be wrong. 😉
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As I grow older and develop a sense of proportion (or lose it, who knows!), I notice that everyone, and I mean everyone, has a dog in every fight they are caring to comment on in their media. If they don’t have their dog in a fight, they are much more likely to ignore the show. One has to pay attention to all possible angles to begin to decipher whose dog is trained to lick or attack whom and why!
Of course, I may well be wrong. 😉
Of course, I may well be wrong. 😉
Not this guy. He was trained to sit.
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As I grow older and develop a sense of proportion (or lose it, who knows!), I notice that everyone, and I mean everyone, has a dog in every fight they are caring to comment on in their media. If they don’t have their dog in a fight, they are much more likely to ignore the show. One has to pay attention to all possible angles to begin to decipher whose dog is trained to lick or attack whom and why!
Of course, I may well be wrong. 😉
Of course, I may well be wrong. 😉
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You are correct about quality of books published by some exceptional authors.
Availability of online access to “information” also resulted in a predictable but unfortunate demise of true investigative reporting, and ultimately truth in reporting.
About scientific matters, I go to the original publications to see if they are published in reputable journals (independent peer reviewed) of high impact rating. But to try and learn facts, the job doesn’t stop there, one has to look at the authors and note who financed their research - establishing their credibility is critically important, given that lately we have seen a great deal of manipulations of “scientific facts” and countless lives have been negatively impacted and even lost. Sadly, the greed of a few, when left unchecked, always results in awful outcomes for the society.
By the way, these comments are not intended to be political - merely a statement of my observations.
Availability of online access to “information” also resulted in a predictable but unfortunate demise of true investigative reporting, and ultimately truth in reporting.
About scientific matters, I go to the original publications to see if they are published in reputable journals (independent peer reviewed) of high impact rating. But to try and learn facts, the job doesn’t stop there, one has to look at the authors and note who financed their research - establishing their credibility is critically important, given that lately we have seen a great deal of manipulations of “scientific facts” and countless lives have been negatively impacted and even lost. Sadly, the greed of a few, when left unchecked, always results in awful outcomes for the society.
By the way, these comments are not intended to be political - merely a statement of my observations.
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You are correct about quality of books published by some exceptional authors.
Availability of online access to “information” also resulted in a predictable but unfortunate demise of true investigative reporting, and ultimately truth in reporting.
About scientific matters, I go to the original publications to see if they are published in reputable journals (independent peer reviewed) of high impact rating. But to try and learn facts, the job doesn’t stop there, one has to look at the authors and note who financed their research - establishing their credibility is critically important, given that lately we have seen a great deal of manipulations of “scientific facts” and countless lives have been negatively impacted and even lost. Sadly, the greed of a few, when left unchecked, always results in awful outcomes for the society.
By the way, these comments are not intended to be political - merely a statement of my observations.
Availability of online access to “information” also resulted in a predictable but unfortunate demise of true investigative reporting, and ultimately truth in reporting.
About scientific matters, I go to the original publications to see if they are published in reputable journals (independent peer reviewed) of high impact rating. But to try and learn facts, the job doesn’t stop there, one has to look at the authors and note who financed their research - establishing their credibility is critically important, given that lately we have seen a great deal of manipulations of “scientific facts” and countless lives have been negatively impacted and even lost. Sadly, the greed of a few, when left unchecked, always results in awful outcomes for the society.
By the way, these comments are not intended to be political - merely a statement of my observations.
These days, we're all drinking from a firehose of data, some of it good, some of it bad, and it's incumbent upon each of us to discern the difference. It's challenging, time consuming, and with the advent of AI (and bad actors using it), becoming increasingly difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, particularly with subjects further away from our own knowledge sets. Pandora's out of the box and I'm not sure there's any way to put it back. There's still good investigative journalism being done, but it's increasingly hard to get noticed in the firehose.
"May you live in interesting times." says the old Chines proverb. I'm not sure if it was a blessing or a curse.
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About the Chinese proverb, I’d be careful about definitions, such as interesting to whom? 😉
Even Covid was interesting to some, they made billions of $ but it wasn’t interesting to most of us pedestrians (or bicyclists).
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Life is far more than two sides of a coin. I agree that each of us needs to “somehow” find a way to decipher what is closer to the truth. However, no one among us is capable enough to understand all the true details of every field of knowledge that is out there, even if it is available to us. This is why for a well-functioning society, it is vital that those who are entrusted with certain responsibilities and paid for their services, at least majority of them fulfill their legal and moral commitments (yes, it all comes down to fundamental morality or code of ethics). We seem to witnessing a serious deterioration in this aspect of our lives, apparently everywhere.
These days, there's more open discussion of such things, but it's sadly lost in the firehose of information and disinformation. I'm not sure which is better.
About the Chinese proverb, I’d be careful about definitions, such as interesting to whom? 😉
Even Covid was interesting to some, they made billions of $ but it wasn’t interesting to most of us pedestrians (or bicyclists).
Even Covid was interesting to some, they made billions of $ but it wasn’t interesting to most of us pedestrians (or bicyclists).
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^ Excellent discourse gentlemen.
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Not to get too political about it, but when you have gatekeepers of information, you also have the potential of a small group controlling and manipulate perceptions. You see that not only in totalitarian regimes but also here in the United States. This internet-fueled democratization of information has opened my eyes to the ways that US foreign and domestic policy in the 20th century was hidden in plain sight. So while you may look back and see a functioning society, I see a society meant to function for certain groups of people at the expense of other groups of people.
These days, there's more open discussion of such things, but it's sadly lost in the firehose of information and disinformation. I'm not sure which is better.
For sure, that's why it may actually be a curse...
These days, there's more open discussion of such things, but it's sadly lost in the firehose of information and disinformation. I'm not sure which is better.
For sure, that's why it may actually be a curse...
An ideal benevolent monarch has always been a myth, there’s no such thing in any form.
The barrage of information we have today, we might associate with actionable freedom of choices is somewhat naive. The masses in every nation, for the most part, are allowed only as much choices as it suits their upper echelons. Sure, on occasions things might appear to go a little out of their hands but in all such cases, new or emergency laws are enacted to “correct” the situation to keep the public in their proper places.
I know, it sounds negative but the reality is fairly close to it. Of course, many of us learn to be happy with a few trinkets we can afford and enjoy… and then there are personally rewarding hobbies like bicycling and gardening to name a few, 😉👌
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Somehow this thread has gotten all over the place! So I'll take this opportunity to add one more tidbit. Recently our Next-door had a post that someone had been told to check their furnace for carbon dioxide and had been told by the technician that there was dangerous carbon dioxide in the air and they needed a new furnace. Immediately, numerous other posters stated they must also have their furnace checked for carbon dioxide as soon as possible. I took a moment to explain to them the differences between carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. I expressed concern about the lack of scientific knowledge expressed by these posts, and was criticized for doing so. And the thought keeps occurring to me, these people vote!
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Somehow this thread has gotten all over the place! So I'll take this opportunity to add one more tidbit. Recently our Next-door had a post that someone had been told to check their furnace for carbon dioxide and had been told by the technician that there was dangerous carbon dioxide in the air and they needed a new furnace. Immediately, numerous other posters stated they must also have their furnace checked for carbon dioxide as soon as possible. I took a moment to explain to them the differences between carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. I expressed concern about the lack of scientific knowledge expressed by these posts, and was criticized for doing so. And the thought keeps occurring to me, these people vote!
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IMHO, never be afraid to be that little voice in the back of the room pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. If you are right, you will have taught something. If you are wrong, you will have learned something. It astounds me when people make clear errors about something, then get butthurt when someone points out the error. I guess I make enough errors, I'm used to it. lol
I also got a state law passed requiring more audits of these organizations.
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“And the thought keeps occurring to me, these people vote!”
I understand that not only do they vote, they do so often… and some manage to come back from hereafter to do just that - vote!
This understanding is based on impeccably reliable information called hearsay! 😉
I understand that not only do they vote, they do so often… and some manage to come back from hereafter to do just that - vote!
This understanding is based on impeccably reliable information called hearsay! 😉
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The so called non-profits, in many cases are quite a scam. The upper management of many of these organizations behaves as if they are corporations, where they make large amounts money - the “logic” used is that they need to be competitive to hire good managers.
In reality, they are even bigger thieves than the ones running larger corporations exclusively for profits because they have figured out a better scam. At the lower level, their grunt work is done by young and bright eyed children who have just finished college and genuinely want to do good - to the degree that they work long hours for next to nothing, some even volunteer for free (their parents support them), and here’s what takes the cake, they have even conned Uncle Sam into not paying any taxes - what a sweet deal!
More audits seems like a good idea… but for crooks, it’s one extra level of manipulations through contrivance, such as bribery. A simpler and more direct solution might be to abolish all 301(c) designations but that would never happen because all of our politicians use it to their own advantages… Oh well, sorry about diversions!
Of course, broad generalizations are always incorrect, including this one. 😉
In reality, they are even bigger thieves than the ones running larger corporations exclusively for profits because they have figured out a better scam. At the lower level, their grunt work is done by young and bright eyed children who have just finished college and genuinely want to do good - to the degree that they work long hours for next to nothing, some even volunteer for free (their parents support them), and here’s what takes the cake, they have even conned Uncle Sam into not paying any taxes - what a sweet deal!
More audits seems like a good idea… but for crooks, it’s one extra level of manipulations through contrivance, such as bribery. A simpler and more direct solution might be to abolish all 301(c) designations but that would never happen because all of our politicians use it to their own advantages… Oh well, sorry about diversions!
Of course, broad generalizations are always incorrect, including this one. 😉
Any comments you have based on substantiated fact from reputable sources, or first hand/direct experience, are always welcome.
Regarding dead people voting, I would encourage you to visit the non-partisan site Factcheck.org
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[QUOTE] Non-profit” hospitals where their CEOs make tens of millions while the nursing and ancillary personnel are under staffed, overworked and stressed, jeopardizing patient care.[/QUOTE]
I do know a fair bit about this variety and had these very people in mind!
And I quite agree that this was a narrow perspective. We do help many of the smaller organizations run by volunteers locally because our own government has dropped the ball.
One of my nieces worked in Washington DC with one those organizations that work with politicians to “influence” changes. After working with them for about 3 years, she was rather disillusioned and felt exploited and quit. But as we know, n=1 is nothing more than hearsay.
I was surprised by dissemination of information based on “facts” in the last few years about many things, including related to Covid by many alphabet soup organizations (NIH, CDC, FDA, WHO etc). All were supposed to be non-partisan… until we learned otherwise.
A few decades ago I used to buy New York Times, Washington Post and read a few more in the library. They were all considered reliable sources of information, until they weren’t. Even NPR, finally proved to be not so un-biased, and I stopped sending them money. I suppose, the general tendency is that if a source of “facts” makes logical sense to us (as in seems in agreement with our notions), it appears more factual.
I’m not sure I’m going to easily trust “facts” supplied to me by left, right, or a non-partisan entity. They are all given a narrative to propagate.In fact, ideally, facts are simply facts, the rest are lies, period.
During the mid-term elections, we went to our public library to cast our votes early, we saw several people bringing in stacks of envelopes individually. That as far as I understand, is quite illegal. Many such observations were made by others in our city. But I imagine all this was deemed as unsubstantiated. We also had several “largely peaceful” demonstrations in our city where a few real and many imaginary shop owners had their businesses destroyed.
We are living in very unusual times. If and when things improve, and I sincerely hope they do, I’ll change my opinion.
I do know a fair bit about this variety and had these very people in mind!
And I quite agree that this was a narrow perspective. We do help many of the smaller organizations run by volunteers locally because our own government has dropped the ball.
One of my nieces worked in Washington DC with one those organizations that work with politicians to “influence” changes. After working with them for about 3 years, she was rather disillusioned and felt exploited and quit. But as we know, n=1 is nothing more than hearsay.
I was surprised by dissemination of information based on “facts” in the last few years about many things, including related to Covid by many alphabet soup organizations (NIH, CDC, FDA, WHO etc). All were supposed to be non-partisan… until we learned otherwise.
A few decades ago I used to buy New York Times, Washington Post and read a few more in the library. They were all considered reliable sources of information, until they weren’t. Even NPR, finally proved to be not so un-biased, and I stopped sending them money. I suppose, the general tendency is that if a source of “facts” makes logical sense to us (as in seems in agreement with our notions), it appears more factual.
I’m not sure I’m going to easily trust “facts” supplied to me by left, right, or a non-partisan entity. They are all given a narrative to propagate.In fact, ideally, facts are simply facts, the rest are lies, period.
During the mid-term elections, we went to our public library to cast our votes early, we saw several people bringing in stacks of envelopes individually. That as far as I understand, is quite illegal. Many such observations were made by others in our city. But I imagine all this was deemed as unsubstantiated. We also had several “largely peaceful” demonstrations in our city where a few real and many imaginary shop owners had their businesses destroyed.
We are living in very unusual times. If and when things improve, and I sincerely hope they do, I’ll change my opinion.
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