Tubeless Tires on Road bike. Yuck!
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I've never used the Endurance formula, but regular Orange Seal has never given me a reason to look elsewhere.
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Same just a longer shelf life on the shelf and in the tires.
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I gotta agree.
I tried Schwalbe Pro One's, and although I really liked the smoothness of the ride, I grew tired of cleaning sealant off my frame after most rides.
The tires got small holes on almost every ride, but sealed up right away. They just made a mess of my bike.
I hate to think of how difficult it would be if I had to put in a tube on the road.
I went back to tubes.
Next I'll try the Aerothan lightweight tubes.
No more road tubeless for me.
I tried Schwalbe Pro One's, and although I really liked the smoothness of the ride, I grew tired of cleaning sealant off my frame after most rides.
The tires got small holes on almost every ride, but sealed up right away. They just made a mess of my bike.
I hate to think of how difficult it would be if I had to put in a tube on the road.
I went back to tubes.
Next I'll try the Aerothan lightweight tubes.
No more road tubeless for me.
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Started looking for another set of tubeless tires(will use the Gavias as spares). The Pirellis looked good , but don’t come in 32mm. Continental seem to be heavy and a PITA to mount from what I’ve read. So any/all recommendations welcome
Currently running my 32mm at 70psi in the front and 80psi in the rear. I’ll do down to 28mm if necessary(and ride/comfort is nearly identical)
Currently running my 32mm at 70psi in the front and 80psi in the rear. I’ll do down to 28mm if necessary(and ride/comfort is nearly identical)
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Started looking for another set of tubeless tires(will use the Gavias as spares). The Pirellis looked good , but don’t come in 32mm. Continental seem to be heavy and a PITA to mount from what I’ve read. So any/all recommendations welcome
Currently running my 32mm at 70psi in the front and 80psi in the rear. I’ll do down to 28mm if necessary(and ride/comfort is nearly identical)
Currently running my 32mm at 70psi in the front and 80psi in the rear. I’ll do down to 28mm if necessary(and ride/comfort is nearly identical)
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any idea what diff is between a Cinturato and p-zero race?
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Speaking of which, I recently abandoned tubeless on some Herse Bon Jon Pass with Extralight casing because I could not get them to seal up securely; the sidewalls just bled air everywhere. Anyway, I popped in some Aerothan tubes, and I can tell you that the ride quality is not as nice and supple as tubeless (at the same pressures).
The Aerothan are light, though— 50g in my 700x35 size— and they’re supposed to be quite resilient and puncture resistant, but more than anything, I’m happy they ended my nightmare with the Bon Jon Extralights. Next time I'll stick to the Standard casing Herse tires for tubeless. I’ve got a set of 650b Herse Switchback Hill Standards which handle tubeless fine.
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Basically the Cinturatos are more of an endurance all-season tyre with more puncture protection, a little heavier, a little slower rolling. Tons of grip in wet or dry conditions. I like them as an everyday tyre on my Defy and they are more comfortable than the original 28 mm Gavias they replaced. They don't feel any slower either.
P-zero Race TLR are faster, but still have a bit more puncture protection than average for a race tyre. I haven't tried them yet, but planning on using them for some fast Sportives over the next few months.
Good reviews of both here:-
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...rato-velo-2018
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...-velo-race-tlr
P-zero Race TLR are faster, but still have a bit more puncture protection than average for a race tyre. I haven't tried them yet, but planning on using them for some fast Sportives over the next few months.
Good reviews of both here:-
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...rato-velo-2018
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...-velo-race-tlr
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Basically the Cinturatos are more of an endurance all-season tyre with more puncture protection, a little heavier, a little slower rolling. Tons of grip in wet or dry conditions. I like them as an everyday tyre on my Defy and they are more comfortable than the original 28 mm Gavias they replaced. They don't feel any slower either.
P-zero Race TLR are faster, but still have a bit more puncture protection than average for a race tyre. I haven't tried them yet, but planning on using them for some fast Sportives over the next few months.
Good reviews of both here:-
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...rato-velo-2018
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...-velo-race-tlr
P-zero Race TLR are faster, but still have a bit more puncture protection than average for a race tyre. I haven't tried them yet, but planning on using them for some fast Sportives over the next few months.
Good reviews of both here:-
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...rato-velo-2018
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...-velo-race-tlr
I pulled the trigger on the Velos. Hopefully they’ll seat much easier than the Gavias.
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Seating them was not the easiest, but no problem with a boost chamber pump. I think you would struggle with a normal track pump, but depends on your rims. I’m using Giant SLR1 carbon rims.
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Then you haven't done much tubeless then. As a shop owner I have run into piles of combinations that took some finesse even with a compressor that were absolutely impossible with a regular floor pump. One of the tubeless ones with a chamber can usually get the job done.
On the "why would anyone" bit... For the number of flats I have had with a tube (1 in the last 5 years or so) I have absolutely had to do way more for the tubeless systems I have ran than for any tube.
On the "why would anyone" bit... For the number of flats I have had with a tube (1 in the last 5 years or so) I have absolutely had to do way more for the tubeless systems I have ran than for any tube.
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I started road tubeless on Schwalbe One Pro tires and had nothing but trouble with tape failures until I started using Orange Seal Winter with 3M tape. Still had 3 out of 4 of them fail due to (10 mm+ length) sidewall cuts caused by University Students inability to put beer bottles in the appropriate receptacle. Tubes would have done the same thing, and for me a tire with a big cut is not worth the risk.
Switched to Conti GP5000 at the same time that they sent all the boys and girls home for a year. I had one fail at the junction between the sidewall and the bead, probably due to low pressure. When I have checked the pressure before riding, zero failures. I run 25 mm on my road bike and 32 mm on our tandem. I have not found them any harder to mount than the Schwalbe. I used Pedro's levers. I carry a tube as a spare along with a pair of nitryl medical gloves. YMMV.
Switched to Conti GP5000 at the same time that they sent all the boys and girls home for a year. I had one fail at the junction between the sidewall and the bead, probably due to low pressure. When I have checked the pressure before riding, zero failures. I run 25 mm on my road bike and 32 mm on our tandem. I have not found them any harder to mount than the Schwalbe. I used Pedro's levers. I carry a tube as a spare along with a pair of nitryl medical gloves. YMMV.
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As far as mounting tires, it's tricky the first time or two but after that not so much (unless you're a slow learner). There are tire/rim incompatibilities, which hopefully diminish with some upcoming rim and tire standards, but once you figure out what works, it's pretty simple. The biggest thing to avoiding having to install a tube on the road is having a plugger kit. When you get a puncture that doesn't seal in the first rotation or two, jump off, put a thumb over the hole and dig out the plugger with your free hand. Put the plug in and add any air you think you need. Total downtime: less than 30 seconds if you're good. Not even enough time for the mosquitoes to realize you're there.
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I have not had a flat that made stop for the last three years. That’s 12,000 without a flat. Had I been running tubes, that would have represented at least 18 tubes and the time to stop and repair them.
I did have to stop last month and put in a plug which took all of 30s or less. The plug is still there and is holding up just fine. I’m sure it will last the life of the tire.
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I hardly went on a ride without the Schwalbe's puncturing & spraying sealant on my frame.
I ride on typical secondary roads west & north of Boston.
Interestingly, I abandon the Schwalbe's for over a year, then remounted them. The rubber didn't seem as "soft", an although I still punctured, it was at much less of a rate.
Yes, I realize that the tires were crap, but what sent me back to tubes is the concern of getting a cut that wouldn't seal, then dealing with the mess of trying to remove the valve install & tube.
I haven't looked back.
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Do you? I think you *imagine* the tires were crap, because you’re talking about a tire that debuted at the world tour level back in ‘12 or ‘13 (as the One), and can still be found there today (e.g. under Team Canyon/SRAM). Do you really believe top level pro teams use crap?! Teams which have hundreds of thousands of dollars and careers on the line are less discriminating than you, who is all in for a couple hundred $ max? C’mon, dude.
It would be smarter to acknowledge that the Pro One was not the right tire for your application, or that you simply had a run of bad luck.
It would be smarter to acknowledge that the Pro One was not the right tire for your application, or that you simply had a run of bad luck.
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Do you? I think you *imagine* the tires were crap, because you’re talking about a tire that debuted at the world tour level back in ‘12 or ‘13 (as the One), and can still be found there today (e.g. under Team Canyon/SRAM). Do you really believe top level pro teams use crap?! Teams which have hundreds of thousands of dollars and careers on the line are less discriminating than you, who is all in for a couple hundred $ max? C’mon, dude.
It would be smarter to acknowledge that the Pro One was not the right tire for your application, or that you simply had a run of bad luck.
It would be smarter to acknowledge that the Pro One was not the right tire for your application, or that you simply had a run of bad luck.
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