Help me settle a Strava argument
07-08-17, 01:14 PM
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Help me settle a Strava argument
My buddy and I had a competition on a 23km Strava segment this morning.
I beat his time by 1:15 but had to stop for a minute at one point cause my leg cramped up. I argue that the process of slowing from 28kph to 0 and starting up again was much more of a negative than 1 minute of rest was a positive. I wasn't tired at all, my leg just ceased up due to a cramp, I had no choice.
I say he can have as many breaks as he want. It will hurt him more than help.
Here is the route. Segment Is M and B's loop.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1073594484/shareable_images/map_based?hl=en-US&v=1499527902
I beat his time by 1:15 but had to stop for a minute at one point cause my leg cramped up. I argue that the process of slowing from 28kph to 0 and starting up again was much more of a negative than 1 minute of rest was a positive. I wasn't tired at all, my leg just ceased up due to a cramp, I had no choice.
I say he can have as many breaks as he want. It will hurt him more than help.
Here is the route. Segment Is M and B's loop.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1073594484/shareable_images/map_based?hl=en-US&v=1499527902
07-08-17, 01:17 PM
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I'll answer assuming I know the question.
If the clock stopped while you stopped - that does not count.
If the clock was running - that does count.
Cramping is reflective of performance - it counts. A faster rider that cramps and finishes after the slower rider - is the slower rider.
If the clock stopped while you stopped - that does not count.
If the clock was running - that does count.
Cramping is reflective of performance - it counts. A faster rider that cramps and finishes after the slower rider - is the slower rider.
07-08-17, 01:23 PM
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You clearly need to ride your bikes more if this is an actual pissiong match.
07-08-17, 01:26 PM
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I'll answer assuming I know the question.
If the clock stopped while you stopped - that does not count.
If the clock was running - that does count.
Cramping is reflective of performance - it counts. A faster rider that cramps and finishes after the slower rider - is the slower rider.
If the clock stopped while you stopped - that does not count.
If the clock was running - that does count.
Cramping is reflective of performance - it counts. A faster rider that cramps and finishes after the slower rider - is the slower rider.
07-08-17, 01:54 PM
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Strava counts the stopped time. At least it does in the segments I've looked at where I stopped in the middle. There's a longer segment near my house that goes past a place where I often stop to pee. I would have had the KOM one day if I hadn't stopped to pee.
So, in theory, Froome could build up a big lead on the Mont du Chat tomorrow, stop for a little break, then continue riding and still win the stage.
07-08-17, 03:10 PM
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Oh thanks for clearing that up. I just assumed they paused when your ride paused. Makes sense it keeps running.
07-08-17, 03:41 PM
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Your stopping is fine as long as it goes against your total time. You can stop to eat a sandwich, drink, do whatever you want except move forward due to mechanical help and it counts.
If it took buddy 10 min riding and it took you 9:50 riding 9 min and doing whatever - your time is 9:50 and faster.
If it took your buddy 10 min riding and you stopped for 30 sec cause you needed a natural break, or a cramp, or mechanical, or anything and your riding time was really 9:30 but total time was was 10:00.0003 (.0003 is how much Kittle won by) then your buddy is faster.
The stopping has nothing to do with anything.
07-08-17, 04:07 PM
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Then why is there any argument? Is there some question as to whether you stopped for only one minute, or maybe something more than 1:15? If that's the case, we can't help you. We'd have to look at clock times when each of you stopped and finished.
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07-08-17, 04:23 PM
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It's not an argument anymore cause segment clocks keep running even if you pause your ride. Argument settled.
07-08-17, 04:57 PM
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By default Strava pauses the "moving time" clock when you stop. You can change the setting where the "moving time" clock does not pause when you stop. The "elapsed time" clock is always running.
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For a segment, the time is finish time minus start time... That simple. Auto pause only affects overall ride data.
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Segment is overall time that includes stops. Ride has a "moving time" number that doesn't include stops.
The segment in question is "M & B's Loop" with the 1:16 pause and is an actual segment. I'd say that the 49:15 is a righteous time and result, and OP is correct that the pause didn't help him. His buddy is free to stop and rest on the segment if he thinks it will help his time. But it won't help him
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Arguing over Strava results IMHO is stupid. If you want to race your friend, race your friend. If you want to race multiple people pin on a number. I get that some people enjoy Strava, but when you have to argue about this that and the other, it just seems very trivial and absurd.
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07-10-17, 04:00 PM
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When people pin on a number, no one argues about the results.
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Yeah, segment times are elapsed, not moving. Regardless, stopping is not going to be beneficial to your moving time unless you're operating under a very peculiar set of circumstances - the time spent slowing down and speeding back up is a huge knock and the energy necessary to get back up to speed is significant.
07-10-17, 04:49 PM
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I agree, you stopping just adds to your segment time. It only makes it worse for you. So you beat him.
