EventServices

In a large plot of vacant land (zoned R-1 Residential) we'll plan our community.

What is your suggestion? Provide reasons.

In the neighborhood...
1. I'll give the streets names that non-cyclists will never pronounce correctly.
- Museeuw St.
- Anquetil Ave.
- Vanderaerden way
- E. Planckaert (which they will incorrectly assume means East Planckaert)

1a. No driveways.

2. The streets will be laid out in a manner to provide excellent criterium practice.

3. There will be a cobbled section.

4. There will be a hill greater than 19%

cat4ever

Depending on your locale, you won't be able to make grades that steep due to code. If it's a PUD (planned unit development), you can but you'll have to have an HOA to clear the snow as the municipality won't do it.

Not sure about the driveway part - where will people park? Parking on the road will make things worse.


/subdivision designer

RazorWind

Obvious answer: Locate said subdivision in southern California (or Texas) so that snow isn't a problem.

Machka 

My ideal subdivision/neighborhood, a curvy road about 40 kms long looping around the perimeter of the neighborhood, and one road through the middle of the neighborhood, cutting the loop in half. I'd live on that road. The loop road would be somewhat hilly, with perhaps one good-sized hill. The middle road would be relatively flat.

Oh, and the roads would all have wide paved shoulders.

Something like this perhaps ...

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HigherGround

Is that anywhere near E. Merckx Blvd.?

How about a series of stop signs with the "except right turn" added, so as to form a nice crit loop?

HigherGround

Those could be combined. Plus there will be a local ordinance that all wind chimes must incorporate cow bells.

damnpoor

This place is awesome. Private road, surrounded by sea, cliffs, and golf courses, right on the coast so weather is always temperate, a long loop with flats along the coast and a decent hill which overlooks the water, and fabulous architecture in every house:

https://www.pebblebeach.com/page.asp?...ile_Drive_Main

haimtoeg

PBK should open a second location there.

Quijibo187

85 degrees and always sunny too,

and a constant tailwind for you, but a headwind for all your competitors.

fully stocked communal bike repair facilities

and no Motobecanes allowed

classic1

Name the streets after famous roads used in cycling.

via Roma
Paddestraat
Carrefour de l'Arbe etc

waterrockets 

There should be a section with a permanent traffic jam that you can rip through in a commuting fit.

+1 on the crit course

Also, the homeowners association should be committed to shutting roads down regularly for training crits.

Might as well eliminate all upcast lighting as well (like for landscaping). I really pisses me off to see lights pointing up, killing our night sky. All other lights should be fully shielded so I don't get any glare from "security" lighting.

Oh, and I should be able to build as big of a woodshop as I want.

txvintage

+1, except we need good enough street riding for night time Crits in July and August since we need to build where there isn't any snow.

WR, you should see the city codes for building a workshop in my 'burb. The slab requirements and building material restrictions are simply staggering.

daoswald

A subdivision? I bike from one end of Los Angeles to the other, you think I'd be happy in a subdivision?

Machka 

I cycle from one side of the province to the other ... that's why my suggestion for a subdivision is a 40 km loop ... the size of a decent-sized town. Only, it would just be Rowan and me living in there. The rest of the town would be on the outskirts of the loop, and of course we could cycle there as well ... we'd have to in order to get to work and shop for groceries, etc.

Ideally this would all be located right near an ocean beach, on one side, a mountain range on an other, and a nice flat river valley in between. Hmmmm ... sounds much like the Hobart, Tasmania area.

botto 

The main thoroughfare will be called Yelling Way.

patentcad

I almost have this covered in my own subdivision now.

AEO

no chip and seal should ever be used anywhere for the roads
there should be plenty of slaloms

mollusk

First a serious suggestion for all new subdivisions: There should be multiple entrances/exits on all sides. Having subdivisions with single entrances force all bicycle traffic onto major arterial highways, hence discouraging bicycle travel outside the subdivision. This is especially true for children.

Now for some fantasy: A community velodrome would be nice.

botto 

I have one of those nearby. I think I might even try it this year.

roadwarrior

Already been done.

Suzie Green

5. There will be a level crossing so you can't always be sure of making it home on time.

6. There should be a red kite, 1 KM before the subdivision entrance. How else will you know that you're almost home?

7. The top of the 19% grade should have the daily newspaper rack where you can pick one up to place up your jumper.

8. It will be zoned "helmet free." Let's get back to the good old days.

Flatballer

Wow. I totally want to live there. If only I could afford it...

Your own training center with VO2 max and everything? Altitude controlled fitness rooms? Massage and direct muscle stimulation on site? All staff trained by Hincapie?

No fair.

RazorWind

This is a really good point. There are little subdivisions here in Austin that are basically massive obstacles as a result of having been designed this way.

Something else that occurred to me a few minutes ago would be to build a more elaborate one of these there. A setup where it was possible to have several configurations by blocking off different parts of it would be pretty sweet, and might help to get around ordinances that govern the construction of roads on the grounds that it's not actually a road.
https://www.veloway.com

EventServices

I'll also make it an LDFA so that the tax money stays in the sub.

They'll be forced to park outside the subdivision on the ring road.

#5 let me translate for the rest of the group: a level crossing is a train track.

#6 I'm loving the red kite idea. In fact, I think I might go install those in my sub now.

#7 or maybe hire kids to hand them up to us.

#8 I agree.

EventServices

Actually, I just assumed the subdivision would be called Yelling Acres.