No lugs, but it looks amazing!
#1
Wookie Jesus inspires me.
Thread Starter
No lugs, but it looks amazing!
I love lugs, but it's not a dealbreaker for me if the bike rides and feels great. These kinds of bikes just reinforce this:
Saw it on the Lovelybike blog.
Would love it own something like this!
Saw it on the Lovelybike blog.
Would love it own something like this!
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,128
Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
Likes: 0
Liked 34 Times
in
28 Posts
Lugless construction was looked down upon at one time, specially when you only saw it on department store bikes and low model Peugeots in the early 80's.Despite that, I was always impressed by the internally brazed lugless construction that Peugeot had on most of their low to lower mid range bikes in the early 80's They were not expensvie bikes but the clean lugless construction really made the frames look very clean, plus must have helped to keep the weights down. The lugless frames from them also provided the now legendary smooth ride that Peugeots were known for.
The welded, non lugged aluminum and some Ti frames that came up in the mid to late 80's looked a bit messy in comparison as you can see the blobby welds on them. You had to get a more expensive or custom bike to get something with built up and smoothed out fillet welds.
Chombi
The welded, non lugged aluminum and some Ti frames that came up in the mid to late 80's looked a bit messy in comparison as you can see the blobby welds on them. You had to get a more expensive or custom bike to get something with built up and smoothed out fillet welds.
Chombi
Last edited by Chombi; 12-08-11 at 04:05 PM.
#4
Nice aero dynamic advantages with smooth lugless frames! The above example is fairly nice, would of preferred to see a threadless stem at least if you're doing a modern build though.
#5
Wookie Jesus inspires me.
Thread Starter
#6
Old fart
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Appleton WI
Posts: 25,043
Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.
Liked 3,675 Times
in
2,077 Posts
#7
Randomhead
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,874
Liked 4,042 Times
in
2,753 Posts
I think it would look nicer with a raked fork either way. I am not a big fan of quill stems
Fillet brazed frames were something of a rarity back in the '70s, but you would see them occasionally.
Fillet brazed frames were something of a rarity back in the '70s, but you would see them occasionally.
#8
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Dothan, AL
Posts: 264
Bikes: 1971 Raleigh International; 1972 Raleigh International; 1971 Schwinn Sports Tourer
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
1 Post
I have a 1971 Schwinn Sports Tourer that I purchased new in March of 1972 that features fillet-brazed joints. I plan to clean it up over the winter as I will be celebrating it's fortieth year!
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chattanooga
Posts: 1,154
Bikes: '93 Bridgestone RB-1, '91 Specialized Allez Epic, '85 Raleigh Team Pro, '78 Andre Bertin, early '90s F. Moser Leader AX , '85 Centurion Equipe, '98 Litespeed Tuscany, '89 Klein Quantum, '80 Nishiki Superbe, '83 Peckham, '84 Fuji Opus III
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times
in
9 Posts
#10
Senior Member
There is nothing about that bike that I like, but there's no accounting for taste.
#11
#14
Wookie Jesus inspires me.
Thread Starter
#16
Senior Member
There will probably be a time, near-at-hand, when C&V will have to open-up its criterion on what is C&V if it wants to keep its popularity. There are a few really great modern TIG welded frame makers out there, and I would love to have one, but is it C&V? My vote is no!
Last edited by rothenfield1; 12-08-11 at 09:24 PM.
#17
Hopelessly addicted...
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Maryland
Posts: 4,955
Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times
in
9 Posts
I, too, love lugged frames. With that said, the brazing on my Davidson tandem is beautifully done... Every time I look at this bike I smile.
Davidson Tandem Bicycle - 8 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Davidson Tandem Bicycle - 8 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
#18
Senior Member
I, too, love lugged frames. With that said, the brazing on my Davidson tandem is beautifully done... Every time I look at this bike I smile.
Davidson Tandem Bicycle - 8 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Davidson Tandem Bicycle - 8 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
#19
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Flagler Palm Coast, FL
Posts: 1,959
Bikes: 1986 Fuji Allegro 12 Spd; 2015 Bianchi Kuma 27.2 24 Spd; 1997 Fuji MX-200 21 Spd; 2010 Vilano SS/FG 46/16
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I find the bike aesthetically pleasing, nothing tasteless about it. I'd own it and ride it as long as it was a smooth operating and functional piece of equipment. Would I prefer it, depends ?
#20
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 909
Bikes: Casati, Look, Torelli, Ridley, and a bunch of steel bikes from the 80s and the 90s..
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Anyone know what is it that the frame builders do to get them looking smooth like that in the lugless area?
#22
.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Rocket City, No'ala
Posts: 12,764
Bikes: 2014 Trek Domane 5.2, 1985 Pinarello Treviso, 1990 Gardin Shred, 2006 Bianchi San Jose
Likes: 0
Liked 30 Times
in
15 Posts
https://www.nimbuscycles.co.uk/html/c...echniques.html
https://www.framebuilderscollective.o...illet-brazing/
video of Bilenky fillet brazing a frame: https://vimeo.com/16776471
#23
Wookie Jesus inspires me.
Thread Starter
I've yet to know the fine details of TIG, Fillet, and lugs, but I am going to start doing research. I know there are a million resources for this so I will start learning.
And people, I treat C&V as a style and the forum as a community. Did I say the bike was CV? No, I did not. I posted it here because the CV community appreciates steel bikes and fine workmanship. If you are going to be the gestapo about bikes made after a certain time period, then please tell me that cut off time period and be consistent with every thread on here.
I was just appreciating the smooth lugless construction of the bike.
And people, I treat C&V as a style and the forum as a community. Did I say the bike was CV? No, I did not. I posted it here because the CV community appreciates steel bikes and fine workmanship. If you are going to be the gestapo about bikes made after a certain time period, then please tell me that cut off time period and be consistent with every thread on here.
I was just appreciating the smooth lugless construction of the bike.
#24
Hopelessly addicted...
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Maryland
Posts: 4,955
Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times
in
9 Posts
I've yet to know the fine details of TIG, Fillet, and lugs, but I am going to start doing research. I know there are a million resources for this so I will start learning.
And people, I treat C&V as a style and the forum as a community. Did I say the bike was CV? No, I did not. I posted it here because the CV community appreciates steel bikes and fine workmanship. If you are going to be the gestapo about bikes made after a certain time period, then please tell me that cut off time period and be consistent with every thread on here.
I was just appreciating the smooth lugless construction of the bike.
And people, I treat C&V as a style and the forum as a community. Did I say the bike was CV? No, I did not. I posted it here because the CV community appreciates steel bikes and fine workmanship. If you are going to be the gestapo about bikes made after a certain time period, then please tell me that cut off time period and be consistent with every thread on here.
I was just appreciating the smooth lugless construction of the bike.
About lugless: I appreciate bikes as a rule. I really enjoy lugged bikes, but a well done fillet brazed frame is a sight to behold. I'll need to take some closeup pictures of the brazing on the Davidson so you can see just how smooth and well done they are.
#25
Ride heavy metal.
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Teenage Wasteland, USA
Posts: 1,538
Bikes: '74 Raleigh LTD-3, '76 Motobecane Grand Jubile, '83 Fuji TSIII (customized commuter), '10 Mercier Kilo WT (fixed obsession), '83 Bianchi Alloro, '92 Bridgestone MB-1 (project), '83 Specialized Expedition (project), '79 Peugeot UO-8 (sold)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Bilenky showing how to fillet braze a custom frame: https://vimeo.com/16776471
Jordan Hufnagel filing fillet brazed joints and talking about framebuilding: https://vimeo.com/5518149
Jordan Hufnagel filing fillet brazed joints and talking about framebuilding: https://vimeo.com/5518149