Whats is your course of action?
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Whats is your course of action?
So I am riding on rural roads of Phoenix (visiting my parents). I approach a 4 way stop intersection. There is a car with their turn indicator on and stopped. I am about 20 yds out and slowing. He sits there as I approach.. and sits there. I figure he is going to wait for me... I cross the stop line and he pulls out.. I then figure he is going to turn behind me.. NOPE.. he tries to turn in front of me but misjudges how fast I am traveling. He brakes then goes behind me... Other than not coming to a full stop at a stop sign is there some kind of signal or thought pattern on that kind of thing?
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My idea is that if I have an accident involving a car while I'm on a bike, it's my fault because I trusted the car driver too much. I ride expecting drivers to do stupid things that threaten my health and well being.
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If there is any potential conflict, as in your situation here, I come to a full stop.
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Everyone should learn to ride a motorcycle before they get a DL. A question like this wouldn't be necessary since, as a motorcyclist, you learn to ride as if you're invisible. You also learn to anticipate what a driver is going to do even if the driver himself has no clue.
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He had the right of way because he was at the 4-way first. You ran the stop sign. Big mistake, always.
Stop, put a foot down, and keep waving until he comes through. If he is still stopped and makes eye contact and waves you through then he is surrendering to you the right of way in deference to your being on a bike. But still don't trust them.
Some drivers just simply get confused about rules of the road regarding bikes. Or they don't know them. Or they make them up as they go.
Treat all cars like wild animals with teeth and claws....if you touch you get hurt.
Stop, put a foot down, and keep waving until he comes through. If he is still stopped and makes eye contact and waves you through then he is surrendering to you the right of way in deference to your being on a bike. But still don't trust them.
Some drivers just simply get confused about rules of the road regarding bikes. Or they don't know them. Or they make them up as they go.
Treat all cars like wild animals with teeth and claws....if you touch you get hurt.
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My course of action is to stop at the stop sign regardless of what the car is doing because then they know what I am doing and it is the law.
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When a driver is acting in a goofy manner, not proceeding the way that you expect when it's his turn, I'd prepare myself for whatever he does next to be goofy too.
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Stop, put my foot down, look straight ahead, do NOT make eye contact. Eventually they will go.
You can try to figure out what the motorist is thinking, or interpret their hand gestures, or think you're making eye contact... but in the end if a collision occurs you're going to be bleeding on the ground.
You can try to figure out what the motorist is thinking, or interpret their hand gestures, or think you're making eye contact... but in the end if a collision occurs you're going to be bleeding on the ground.
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Think of it this way. The guy got to the stop sign first, saw you coming and remembered the last five guys caming through a stop right in front of him so he waited to see if you were going to stop. If you don't make eye contact and get a wave through stop.
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My feeling is that every one else on the road is out to get me. I try to prepare for every idiotic thing they could do.
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Seems pretty obvious that a driver sitting overlong at a stop sign with a turn signal on is spacing out, rethinking his next move, or otherwise distracted. There is a good chance that he isn't even aware of your approach. I saw something like that after a light turned green (without the turning signal) the other day while driving and beeped before carefully passing on the right watching the driver throughout. Pretty common for a spaced or distracted driver to pop back into the real world and hit the gas without looking around.
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Everyone should learn to ride a motorcycle before they get a DL. A question like this wouldn't be necessary since, as a motorcyclist, you learn to ride as if you're invisible. You also learn to anticipate what a driver is going to do even if the driver himself has no clue.
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Everyone should learn to ride a motorcycle before they get a DL. A question like this wouldn't be necessary since, as a motorcyclist, you learn to ride as if you're invisible. You also learn to anticipate what a driver is going to do even if the driver himself has no clue.
Hope you enjoyed your time here BTW!
Hope you enjoyed your time here BTW!
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In that situation, I come to a full stop, look at the driver, wait to see if he is going to go. If he doesn't I wave him/her on. Sometimes they then wave me on. If so I proceed very cautiously. Reminds me of the two ground squirrels in the old looney toon cartoons.
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You need to do two things; count your lucky stars on this one and never trust a driver to make his move in a way that's safe for you. You're not part of his hurry. bk
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I always come to a full stop in such situations and won't proceed unless the driver waves or flashes his lights. A lot of people around here do want to give deference to bicycles in such situations, but I won't go unless they make it abundantly clear that is their intent. Even while driving, a lot of people seem to want to relinquish the right of way even if they've hit the intersection well in front of you and even if they are to your right. I understand people are perhaps trying to be nice and on a bike I do give a friendly wave in thanks for the gesture. But really I wish everyone would just follow the rules and remove the need to guess.
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I always come to a full stop in such situations and won't proceed unless the driver waves or flashes his lights. A lot of people around here do want to give deference to bicycles in such situations, but I won't go unless they make it abundantly clear that is their intent. Even while driving, a lot of people seem to want to relinquish the right of way even if they've hit the intersection well in front of you and even if they are to your right. I understand people are perhaps trying to be nice and on a bike I do give a friendly wave in thanks for the gesture. But really I wish everyone would just follow the rules and remove the need to guess.
I just wish they'd take their turn.
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Even the ones that wave you on can get you killed because all the other cars don't know what he/she is doing and they'll come around. The kindess thing they can do for me is go ahead and get out of the way
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The OP broke the law, and now wants validation for his reaction to a driver who was driving legally.
This is almost as funny as the OP's other thread on fellow cyclists offering him advice about his riding style.
This is almost as funny as the OP's other thread on fellow cyclists offering him advice about his riding style.