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Old 12-17-12, 07:30 AM
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Fattest tires on an Ironman?

What are the biggest tires you've been able to install on a Centurion Ironman? I don't mind going with mismatched sizes even. Using 600EX short reach brakes

I've got some 700x23c but after riding fat 26x2" tires, they feel like i'm riding on the bare rim. I'm wondering if a slightly bigger tire would make a difference, though I'm not sure if it would be a big enough one

the weird thing is I used to ride this bike often and not really mind the harsh ride.. I can't really figure it out. i do think installing the ass-hatchet saddle might also have something to do with it too tho
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One of the Dave Scott Ironmans? I would be suprised if you could get much more than a x28 but depending on your weight you should feel a difference. Something like Pasela should give you a nice ride. Be careful though, what works in the stand may not work when you ride it.
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depending on your weight you should feel a difference
I'm hoping another week of dieting and i won't be eligible for the clydesdale forum any more


i doubt many folks have tried out these tires: https://www.cswestbikes.com/servlet/t...FSmCQgodNB0ANg



only looking at them cause they match my color scheme, though i suppose that's not a very good reason to pick tires especially if they're $50/tire

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In this situation, I like to use allen wrenches as feeler gauges to find out where the tightest spot is between the frame/components and the tires. On my road bikes, it's usually been the fork crown. For example, if you can only fit a 3mm in between the tire and fork crown, then you'll probably be able to run 700x25, but not 700x28.
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^ thanks that's a nice tip
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That fyxation tire - I'm wary of any tire that doesn't advertise their thread count. It's not the only thing, but higher thread counts usually ride nicer (more supple).

The current Vittoria Rubino Pros (III's?) can be had in a nice green. (150 tpi, about as low as I'll go). I'm not sure they come in a 28, though.
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The current Vittoria Rubino Pros (III's?) can be had in a nice green. (150 tpi, about as low as I'll go). I'm not sure they come in a 28, though.
that's what i have right now in 23.. I saw on another site the foldable fyxation is 120tpi. it does offer puncture protection which would be nice

i might just need a better saddle and to stick to better paved roads.. not sure, but I'd like to start riding the bike again
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Based on some Googling, it looks like the Fyxation is 120tpi.

One thing to keep in mind about the tires marketed to the fixed-gear crowd is that the tread will be thicker (mad skidz, yo.) That means you'll either have less clearance at the diameter than you'd expect, or the tire will be skinnier than normal to make the diameter work out right.
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Originally Posted by Ex Pres
That fyxation tire - I'm wary of any tire that doesn't advertise their thread count. It's not the only thing, but higher thread counts usually ride nicer (more supple).
Fair enough, but Grand Bois does not advertise their thread count and they're pretty nice and supple tires.

I've installed a few of the Fyxation tires at my LBS. They have a very thick tread and are heavy. You have to decide what balance of ride quality, flat protection and price you're most comfortable with.

Jan Heine has this to say about TPI, though using to TPI numbers to qualify other tires seems a bit like talking out of both sides of his mouth.

TPI (threads per inch) is a meaningless number. It’s easy to quantify, and so some companies like to use it in their ads. We tested a two Grand Bois prototype tires, identical except one had twice the TPI. Their speed was indistinguishable. What appears to matter more is how many casing layers you have, at what angles they are overlaid, what material is used for them, how thick the tread is, how hard the tread is, and whether the tread is vulcanized or glued by hand.
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yeah i think if i wanted to spend that much on tires i would look for something lighter and more supple
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If you want a bike that has the same ride as a mountain bike, you have the wrong bike. That is like buying a Porsche and expecting it to have the same ride as a Cadillac. I doubt you will be able to get anything bigger than a 25 on that bike. What air pressure are you using?
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I've had 28mm Gatorskins on my Ironman with no problem and they do mellow out the ride a bit. But 28 is probably as large as you can go.
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Originally Posted by CardiacKid
If you want a bike that has the same ride as a mountain bike, you have the wrong bike.
thanks but I know this already. I just want to know the biggest tire size i can fit on the bike. I suspected 28 was about it
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My 85 takes 28 Vittoria Rando's easily, but it's a first year model. Later years may have less clearance. I've put modern wheelsets and 25's on MV models.
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Rubino Pros are the beez kneez.
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Originally Posted by rccardr
Later years may have less clearance.
good point... i've got an 89
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Or you could do a 650b conversion....
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Originally Posted by frantik
I'm hoping another week of dieting and i won't be eligible for the clydesdale forum any more


i doubt many folks have tried out these tires: https://www.cswestbikes.com/servlet/t...FSmCQgodNB0ANg



only looking at them cause they match my color scheme, though i suppose that's not a very good reason to pick tires especially if they're $50/tire
I have heard some good things about those tires and am considering putting the whitewall version of them on my Norman Rapide when I finish building my new wheelset. If you get these tires, I'd like to get your impression of them.
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I've had 28mm Gatorskins on my Ironman with no problem and they do mellow out the ride a bit. But 28 is probably as large as you can go.
I run Vittoria Rubino Pro's in 700x25, and have never tried anything bigger. The 700x28 surprises me, but it's good to know it's possible. The fork crown seems to be the tightest area. drrobwave tried 28's on his Ironman, and they rubbed his calipers before they rubbed the fork crown.

Your's is an '89, and probably has the least clearance.

If I go to L'Eroica, I'm taking my '86 Ironman, with non-aero DC levers vs. the OEM aeros. They recommend a larger tire, so I'm quite happy to know I can probably run Gatorskin 28's on it.
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Your's is an '89, and probably has the least clearance.
Yup, my 89 will run a 25 as the widest tire. However, I was able to get crud fenders on there with a 25 in the front (won't work in the back with a 25 and fenders) with minimal rub.
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hmm if i can only go from 23 to 25 then i don't see much point. a 650b conversion would be cool but if i'd rather just go for a different bike rather than buy 650b wheels and proper brakes.

I think i will have to find a better saddle and maybe that will help.

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You could also lower the PSI, by about 10lbs, and see if it makes things a bit more manageable.
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Originally Posted by frantik
hmm if i can only go from 23 to 25 then i don't see much point. a 650b conversion would be cool
Ack!


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I think i will have to find a better saddle and maybe that will help.
There are shorts available from China that have a chamois that's bigger than a car wash sponge...... Just sayin.
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