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#76
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It doesn't even have to be that low on the food chain. When we ride the MUP, we see dozens and sometimes hundreds of cyclists, all out for a nice ride on the trail, and a lot of them on pretty decent bikes. If I started asking them, I'm guessing most people have never heard of Bike Forums.
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Cognitive decline isn't any more amusing than deliberate trolling. FWIW, last I looked there were many more sub forums devoted to casual biking than to go-fast.
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Yes, Maelochs, there IS a Rydabent. He exists as surely as Merckx, and Anquetil, and Hinault exist.
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Okay .... all of you who made unsupported and unsupportable claims .... there are no words i could use to describe you which would not get me banned.
I DID THE SEARCH. The results are right there---Which hand soap will make me faster? Will I be faster with wet feet? Florida Rust makes me faster.
You are a <long string of edited epithets.>
All of you, who champion the lies and refuse to admit what we all see.
I don't have the energy to care more. Be whatever you need to be. But this forum could be just as much fun and a lot more informative if people didn't post pure lies to get attention.
You are honorless. You are why civilization is dying. Be proud of that, I guess.
I DID THE SEARCH. The results are right there---Which hand soap will make me faster? Will I be faster with wet feet? Florida Rust makes me faster.
You are a <long string of edited epithets.>
All of you, who champion the lies and refuse to admit what we all see.
I don't have the energy to care more. Be whatever you need to be. But this forum could be just as much fun and a lot more informative if people didn't post pure lies to get attention.
You are honorless. You are why civilization is dying. Be proud of that, I guess.
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A vast number of threads on this forum would make everyone think that speed is the holy grail of cycling. I contend it is not. I say that the vast majority of cyclist just ride for the enjoyment of the ride. We just like to be out in the open air, enjoy the sites, and or run errands. We dont ride high priced bikes, or dress in high priced kits. We dont care about form, position, cadence or any of that, we just enjoy the kind of riding we like.
even the tea toting european dutch bike dress clothes dude does at times try to push it....just a little.
but to the meat of your comment I tend to agree.
all the media hype is on the uber higher end side.
$12k bikes....$200 bibs or shoes or helnets.
i hear ya...but i like trying to be faster more efficient when i ride...but not always.
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What I find hilarious about this thread is that it's the two people that I would identify as being the most prolific denigraters of other people's riding habits-- wolfchild and rydabent -- are complaining about other people denigrating other people's riding habits.
Let's get real here, I could if I wanted to post a bunch of jerky quotes from people of all segments of types of riders in GC, including some from racers claiming that they are the only ones qualified to discuss certain non-racing topics., and from non-racers accusing other people of being suckers for buying into marketing hype or wannabes or whatever. My point would be that a) such obnoxious postings seem to be approximately evenly distributed among the various segments and b) the products of relatively few regulars who are generally disliked by pretty much all.
I'm not a racer, but I enjoy discussing stuff with racers because I find it interesting to exchange our perspectives on various issues. I'm not trying to convince them of anything regarding their own riding, and if I am trying to convince them of anything at all it is that non-racers may have an entirely different perspective that is just as thoughtful as their own, it's just about a different kind of riding or how I handle riding fast not having a racer physique . At its best, an exchange like this can be a lot of fun. I know I learn a lot from them and we seem to be enjoying most of the exchanges.
I used to run into a few racer types.who would habitually call me a liar when I would describe my riding habits. What would invariably happen was that a better qualified racer would then jump in to say that what I claimed to be doing checked out. and that the other guy should stop calling me a liar just because I could do something they couldn't. We're all capable of telling when someone who rides like we do is being nasty for no reason, I really respect the process of calling that person out.
Long way to get around to the main point--most of the people on this forum try to be helpful and friendly, and are open to other people's perspectives. I think it's useful to a newbie to understand that frequently there is more than one way to skin a grape. Where BF gets ridiculous is when people try to argue that it's their way or you'll suck on the highway.
Let's get real here, I could if I wanted to post a bunch of jerky quotes from people of all segments of types of riders in GC, including some from racers claiming that they are the only ones qualified to discuss certain non-racing topics., and from non-racers accusing other people of being suckers for buying into marketing hype or wannabes or whatever. My point would be that a) such obnoxious postings seem to be approximately evenly distributed among the various segments and b) the products of relatively few regulars who are generally disliked by pretty much all.
I'm not a racer, but I enjoy discussing stuff with racers because I find it interesting to exchange our perspectives on various issues. I'm not trying to convince them of anything regarding their own riding, and if I am trying to convince them of anything at all it is that non-racers may have an entirely different perspective that is just as thoughtful as their own, it's just about a different kind of riding or how I handle riding fast not having a racer physique . At its best, an exchange like this can be a lot of fun. I know I learn a lot from them and we seem to be enjoying most of the exchanges.
I used to run into a few racer types.who would habitually call me a liar when I would describe my riding habits. What would invariably happen was that a better qualified racer would then jump in to say that what I claimed to be doing checked out. and that the other guy should stop calling me a liar just because I could do something they couldn't. We're all capable of telling when someone who rides like we do is being nasty for no reason, I really respect the process of calling that person out.
Long way to get around to the main point--most of the people on this forum try to be helpful and friendly, and are open to other people's perspectives. I think it's useful to a newbie to understand that frequently there is more than one way to skin a grape. Where BF gets ridiculous is when people try to argue that it's their way or you'll suck on the highway.
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I'm really hoping that the extra hour of sunshine starting next week, and the official start of Spring in less than two weeks, gets some butts on bike seats and away from these pissing matches.
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What I find hilarious about this thread is that it's the two people that I would identify as being the most prolific denigraters of other people's riding habits-- wolfchild and rydabent -- are complaining about other people denigrating other people's riding habits.
Let's get real here, I could if I wanted to post a bunch of jerky quotes from people of all segments of types of riders in GC, including some from racers claiming that they are the only ones qualified to discuss certain non-racing topics., and from non-racers accusing other people of being suckers for buying into marketing hype or wannabes or whatever. My point would be that a) such obnoxious postings seem to be approximately evenly distributed among the various segments and b) the products of relatively few regulars who are generally disliked by pretty much all.
I'm not a racer, but I enjoy discussing stuff with racers because I find it interesting to exchange our perspectives on various issues. I'm not trying to convince them of anything regarding their own riding, and if I am trying to convince them of anything at all it is that non-racers may have an entirely different perspective that is just as thoughtful as their own, it's just about a different kind of riding or how I handle riding fast not having a racer physique . At its best, an exchange like this can be a lot of fun. I know I learn a lot from them and we seem to be enjoying most of the exchanges.
I used to run into a few racer types.who would habitually call me a liar when I would describe my riding habits. What would invariably happen was that a better qualified racer would then jump in to say that what I claimed to be doing checked out. and that the other guy should stop calling me a liar just because I could do something they couldn't. We're all capable of telling when someone who rides like we do is being nasty for no reason, I really respect the process of calling that person out.
Long way to get around to the main point--most of the people on this forum try to be helpful and friendly, and are open to other people's perspectives. I think it's useful to a newbie to understand that frequently there is more than one way to skin a grape. Where BF gets ridiculous is when people try to argue that it's their way or you'll suck on the highway.
Let's get real here, I could if I wanted to post a bunch of jerky quotes from people of all segments of types of riders in GC, including some from racers claiming that they are the only ones qualified to discuss certain non-racing topics., and from non-racers accusing other people of being suckers for buying into marketing hype or wannabes or whatever. My point would be that a) such obnoxious postings seem to be approximately evenly distributed among the various segments and b) the products of relatively few regulars who are generally disliked by pretty much all.
I'm not a racer, but I enjoy discussing stuff with racers because I find it interesting to exchange our perspectives on various issues. I'm not trying to convince them of anything regarding their own riding, and if I am trying to convince them of anything at all it is that non-racers may have an entirely different perspective that is just as thoughtful as their own, it's just about a different kind of riding or how I handle riding fast not having a racer physique . At its best, an exchange like this can be a lot of fun. I know I learn a lot from them and we seem to be enjoying most of the exchanges.
I used to run into a few racer types.who would habitually call me a liar when I would describe my riding habits. What would invariably happen was that a better qualified racer would then jump in to say that what I claimed to be doing checked out. and that the other guy should stop calling me a liar just because I could do something they couldn't. We're all capable of telling when someone who rides like we do is being nasty for no reason, I really respect the process of calling that person out.
Long way to get around to the main point--most of the people on this forum try to be helpful and friendly, and are open to other people's perspectives. I think it's useful to a newbie to understand that frequently there is more than one way to skin a grape. Where BF gets ridiculous is when people try to argue that it's their way or you'll suck on the highway.
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Well it's true sometimes I would like to make better time when I ride to downtown Toronto or to North York Centre to meet my friends, but that's not my holy grail for speed. It's more of an indication we need better cycling infrastructure to take us to where we want to go via direct routes instead of meandering around side streets and park trails. A lot of the times I don't care about my speed or cadence except to cross the next light as it turns red to stop traffic from catching up to me.
And then there's the snow riding in uncleared streets and bike lanes for the challenge and the political agenda to bash the new snow removal contractor.
So add me in as one of the (apparently overstated) vast majority who rides for the pleasure.
And then there's the snow riding in uncleared streets and bike lanes for the challenge and the political agenda to bash the new snow removal contractor.
So add me in as one of the (apparently overstated) vast majority who rides for the pleasure.
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A vast number of threads on this forum would make everyone think that speed is the holy grail of cycling. I contend it is not. I say that the vast majority of cyclist just ride for the enjoyment of the ride. We just like to be out in the open air, enjoy the sites, and or run errands. We dont ride high priced bikes, or dress in high priced kits. We dont care about form, position, cadence or any of that, we just enjoy the kind of riding we like.
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A vast number of threads on this forum would make everyone think that speed is the holy grail of cycling. I contend it is not. I say that the vast majority of cyclist just ride for the enjoyment of the ride. We just like to be out in the open air, enjoy the sites, and or run errands. We dont ride high priced bikes, or dress in high priced kits. We dont care about form, position, cadence or any of that, we just enjoy the kind of riding we like.
I have always loved going fast on bikes since I was five years old, I think it is natural to want to go faster than walking if you are on a bicycle or a horse etc.. But most have lost their perspective on cycling and most other things. I believe it is the society based on predatory capitalism and it's consumerism, which always defines success as more, more more, and as excess. If a little speed is good more must be better, the more something costs must mean it is better, and the lighter a bike is, because it is a function of it's higher price and helps going up hills faster, it must be better too.
I only bought one new bike ever, early in 1997, my MTB, and I love it, but it will be my last new bike absolutely. I love my four road bikes too, three of them are from the 1970s and one is from 1985, and the initial purchase price of all four is $63.
Lately I have been a zone-2 rider, where you can still speak a sentence while riding, but it is a chore and you need a breath or two between your words or sentences. I would not be against entering a race in my area, but I am interested to see how fast I can go without leaving the zone 2 exertion level, which seems to be the best balance between physical fitness and exercise and speed.
Just as I am interested in zone-2 speed, I am also interested in how fast my old bikes can go, not in how fast I can go on carbon-fiber, multi-thousand dollar junk that they peddle to the public now. I like the bikes I grew up with since the 1960s, they are great bikes and all I will ever need.
99.999% of riders are not interested in racing and are not pros making money with their riding, so the common-sense thing for them to get out of their rides is fun and relaxation along with a bit of exercise.
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Have a great whatever.
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I’m an urban cyclist living in a large city. Speed is therefore relative in such an environment. You just get to the next red light before everyone else, and wait. Stop and go just like in a car. The speed cyclists are good for the bicycle business. They are the ones buying the products that could marginally increase their performance. They are the early adopters who pay the big dollars. They just need the open spaces to take advantage of their equipment which doesn’t exist much in urban areas. How about getting bicycle ovals built in urban centers? The Montreal Grand Prix race track is reserved for cyclists when not in use for the event. Perhaps the need for speed crowd should be having discussions in the proper forum rather than the general cycling one. Then again, you can jump over posts that are not relevant to your riding style.
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Great thread. I agree 100% that most on this forum worship speed, high-end equipment and light weight as a yardstick for measuring all of cycling equipment and riders too.
I have always loved going fast on bikes since I was five years old, I think it is natural to want to go faster than walking if you are on a bicycle or a horse etc.. But most have lost their perspective on cycling and most other things. I believe it is the society based on predatory capitalism and it's consumerism, which always defines success as more, more more, and as excess. If a little speed is good more must be better, the more something costs must mean it is better, and the lighter a bike is, because it is a function of it's higher price and helps going up hills faster, it must be better too.
I only bought one new bike ever, early in 1997, my MTB, and I love it, but it will be my last new bike absolutely. I love my four road bikes too, three of them are from the 1970s and one is from 1985, and the initial purchase price of all four is $63.
I have always loved going fast on bikes since I was five years old, I think it is natural to want to go faster than walking if you are on a bicycle or a horse etc.. But most have lost their perspective on cycling and most other things. I believe it is the society based on predatory capitalism and it's consumerism, which always defines success as more, more more, and as excess. If a little speed is good more must be better, the more something costs must mean it is better, and the lighter a bike is, because it is a function of it's higher price and helps going up hills faster, it must be better too.
I only bought one new bike ever, early in 1997, my MTB, and I love it, but it will be my last new bike absolutely. I love my four road bikes too, three of them are from the 1970s and one is from 1985, and the initial purchase price of all four is $63.
Since beng1 admits to having no experience with any road bike tech made after 1985, may I submit that he lacks sufficient perspective to denigrate such tech, and that his uninformed moralizing at us who do have experience is all "stuff and nonsense"?
He thinks we "worship speed" and have "lost [our] perspective", all due to "predatory capitalism" and "consumerism", while he rides Goodwill Store reject bikes while hinting at his moral superiority.
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