Carbon Wheels with Rim Brakes - Obsolete?
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The weight penalty is definitely shrinking, but for the same dollars, the comparable disc brake bike is still heavier. And at the pointy end it’s hard to get a 12-13lb disc brake bike.
That said, given where the market has gone, assuming you’re going to own the bike for awhile, I would definitely go disc for future compatibility alone.
That said, given where the market has gone, assuming you’re going to own the bike for awhile, I would definitely go disc for future compatibility alone.
I passed on upgrading my wheels to carbon, didn’t want to deal with carbon pads, less braking performance, etc…. I can see carbon rims with disc on a bike designed for it. Makes sense with disc brakes, wouldn’t spend the money with a rim brake bike.
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Not a single one.
I would view a road bike with tubular carbon wheels as a worse value compared to the exact bike with non-name generic $200 new cost aluminum clinchers. Even if both were the same price, I would want the cheap alloy clinchers. So if the carbon tubular bike cost more?...well that'd be tough to view as any sort of value.
But hey- that's just me and who I ride with. Maybe your area has a bunch of roadies that want tubular carbon wheels.
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I can't think of a single person i have ridden with over the last 5 years that I can say would want tubular wheels instead of clinchers. This includes periodic cyclists, enthusiast cyclists, and regionally competitive cyclists.
Not a single one.
I would view a road bike with tubular carbon wheels as a worse value compared to the exact bike with non-name generic $200 new cost aluminum clinchers. Even if both were the same price, I would want the cheap alloy clinchers. So if the carbon tubular bike cost more?...well that'd be tough to view as any sort of value.
But hey- that's just me and who I ride with. Maybe your area has a bunch of roadies that want tubular carbon wheels.
Not a single one.
I would view a road bike with tubular carbon wheels as a worse value compared to the exact bike with non-name generic $200 new cost aluminum clinchers. Even if both were the same price, I would want the cheap alloy clinchers. So if the carbon tubular bike cost more?...well that'd be tough to view as any sort of value.
But hey- that's just me and who I ride with. Maybe your area has a bunch of roadies that want tubular carbon wheels.
But I'll take your advice and keep in mind that the spectrum of more educated buyers could be expanded by choosing tubeless or clincher.
My goal with this has been to invest the lowest possible amount of money while achieving maximum value. The ALR 5 with 300 series 2kg Alu frame, some nice CF wheels and minor upgrades will achieve that, hopefully.
I don't even know who started this tubular debate anyway, 85% of the wheels I posted here were clincher or tubless.
I just negotiated some more. Leaning towards the Princeton a little because the seller would include new tyres, rear Hub and a new, matching M5100 Casette.
Lambda Racing 55mm - 220€
Princeton Peak 45/50mm - 480€
Lightweight Meilenstein 40mm - 470€
Corima 32 MCC S 40mm - 650€
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The weight penalty is definitely shrinking, but for the same dollars, the comparable disc brake bike is still heavier. And at the pointy end it’s hard to get a 12-13lb disc brake bike.
That said, given where the market has gone, assuming you’re going to own the bike for awhile, I would definitely go disc for future compatibility alone.
That said, given where the market has gone, assuming you’re going to own the bike for awhile, I would definitely go disc for future compatibility alone.
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On a Mountain Bike disk brakes make sense, and I would even go so far as to say they're indispensable.
With a Road Bike I'd want disk brakes when riding in the city where you're constantly stopping, sometimes quite abruptly. Especially, with CF wheels.
However, I don't really see the point when you're just riding on designated bike paths and roads for training.
With a Road Bike I'd want disk brakes when riding in the city where you're constantly stopping, sometimes quite abruptly. Especially, with CF wheels.
However, I don't really see the point when you're just riding on designated bike paths and roads for training.
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But you do you.
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Beyond this thread, we have Larry who unwittingly got suckered into tubulars. Also a guy I used to ride with. I expect it's not unusual.
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It sounds like the plan is to flip this bike on a platform that caters to poseurs.
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People will do what they feel necessary to make ends meet. I'm thankful I never had to make that particular compromise.
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On my Emonda ALR 5 (2018) with rim brakes and 58cm frame height, I can fit 28mm tires no problem. The previous owner had installed them and there's about 3 - 4mm of clearance between the tire and the fork. It's a tight fit, but it works. And this ALR 5 is almost 6.5 years old.
I think reasonably new race/road bikes with rim brakes have frames that can support it.
I think reasonably new race/road bikes with rim brakes have frames that can support it.
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The components need to be consistent with my description of them, thus functional and in good condition.
Particularly on these kind of online platforms, the thicker the wheel the faster the sale.
Who cares why they buy them, the market dictates.
It’s a Elmonda. Take a look at the Bontrager Aeolus 5s.
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You're not ethical.
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Whether the buyer understands the intricacies of tubular tire maintenance is neither my concern nor my responsibility.
This is a sales platform not a forum, obviously it is expected that you research certain parts before buying them, especially if you're a novice.
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I am selling this bike with a complete and comprehensive list of components, including the tires and wheelset.
Whether the buyer understands the intricacies of tubular tire maintenance is neither my concern nor my responsibility.
This is a sales platform not a forum, obviously it is expected that you research certain parts before buying them, especially if you're a novice.
Whether the buyer understands the intricacies of tubular tire maintenance is neither my concern nor my responsibility.
This is a sales platform not a forum, obviously it is expected that you research certain parts before buying them, especially if you're a novice.
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All parts are carefully listed, that goes without saying.
I think the contention made by some of the other posters here is that I have an obligation to explain to a potential buyer why tubular tires might be more challenging to maintain than other solutions, which I certainly do not.
As a seller it is my job to denote all the components of this bike and the state they're in.
Who ends up buying it and what level of research they've done about individual parts is obviously not my responsibility.
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I am, of course.
All parts are carefully listed, that goes without saying.
I think the contention made by some of the other posters here is that I have an obligation to explain to a potential buyer why tubular tires might be more challenging to maintain than other solutions, which I certainly do not.
As a seller it is my job to denote all the components of this bike and the state they're in.
Who ends up buying it and what level of research they've done about individual parts is obviously not my responsibility.
All parts are carefully listed, that goes without saying.
I think the contention made by some of the other posters here is that I have an obligation to explain to a potential buyer why tubular tires might be more challenging to maintain than other solutions, which I certainly do not.
As a seller it is my job to denote all the components of this bike and the state they're in.
Who ends up buying it and what level of research they've done about individual parts is obviously not my responsibility.
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It'd be considerate of you to mention to a prospective buyer, "Hey, these are tubular wheels...Do you know what that means?" After all, tubular wheels have not been common for many decades now; the sorts of novices who are most likely to respond to your ad might think that "tubular" means that they take inner tubes.
I don't know if you've ever sold anything, but you choose not to read the terms of service at your peril. Conducting the appropriate research and carefully reading the terms is your responsibility alone.
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You have made that clear.
And I agree it isnt your responsibility. Sometimes we do things even though they arent our specific responsibility. For example, you are listing out every component even though that isnt your responsibility. You are going beyond what you are responsible for doing when you list components.
So claiming 'that isnt my responsibility' when you are already doing things that arent your responsibility is...well its pretty meaningless.
Just say whats real here- you recognize tubular wheels wouldnt be a selling point to most who know what tubular wheels are, so you dont want to draw more attention to it.
And I agree it isnt your responsibility. Sometimes we do things even though they arent our specific responsibility. For example, you are listing out every component even though that isnt your responsibility. You are going beyond what you are responsible for doing when you list components.
So claiming 'that isnt my responsibility' when you are already doing things that arent your responsibility is...well its pretty meaningless.
Just say whats real here- you recognize tubular wheels wouldnt be a selling point to most who know what tubular wheels are, so you dont want to draw more attention to it.
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For example, you are listing out every component even though that isnt your responsibility.
You are going beyond what you are responsible for doing when you list components.
So claiming 'that isnt my responsibility' when you are already doing things that arent your responsibility is...well its pretty meaningless
You are going beyond what you are responsible for doing when you list components.
So claiming 'that isnt my responsibility' when you are already doing things that arent your responsibility is...well its pretty meaningless
But I would do this even if it weren't required, in the interest of full disclosure.
That has nothing to do with responsibility, it's a sensible thing to do.
However, confronting any potential buyer about an aspect of the bicycle which functions properly but may be considered undesirable by some is obviously idiotic.
There are countless bike parts which are liked or disliked for various reasons. Are you going to tell each buyer about those too? Clearly the premise of your argument is illogical.
Read the terms, that's why they're there.
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In the US we call it the Used Car Salesman Code of Ethics. People reveal embarrassing stuff so eagerly on the internet.
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Anyway, I might be going with the Swiss after all. The seller went down to 400€ and agreed to replace the rear hub bearings. Ultegra cassette 11-32 included, but the stock one is in better condition.
Initially, the whole Chinese rebrand story deterred me, but it turns out that was in fact a different model. I like the color scheme which will go great with the ALR 5's grey/black frame. I'm also replacing the Shimano 105 crank with a carbon one, so that will look nice together. They weigh about 1.5kg without tires. The bike would be just around 8 - 9kg fully assembled. Last thing I'll switch is the saddle for a carbon one I got laying around.
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Possibly, but it's not my job to inform a buyer which wheel/tyre combo might be more convenient to maintain.
The components need to be consistent with my description of them, thus functional and in good condition.
High depth CF wheels are in high demand, especially with people buying their first road bike.
Particularly on these kind of online platforms, the thicker the wheel the faster the sale.
Who cares why they buy them, the market dictates.
Those look extremely nice. How are they only $540 new?
The components need to be consistent with my description of them, thus functional and in good condition.
High depth CF wheels are in high demand, especially with people buying their first road bike.
Particularly on these kind of online platforms, the thicker the wheel the faster the sale.
Who cares why they buy them, the market dictates.
Those look extremely nice. How are they only $540 new?