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Old 05-04-24, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bwilli88
This is my minimalist, Acorn tool roll.
That's a beautiful tool roll, and looks perfect hanging off of a Brooks saddle. But it's not minimalist.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
That's a beautiful tool roll, and looks perfect hanging off of a Brooks saddle. But it's not minimalist.
It typically is the minimum that I take on a long ride.
That small black one in the background it more my minimalist.
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If you perform decent maintenance on your bike before you head out, your 'minimalist' bag can be much much smaller
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RE: cards/cash, I just pop open my phone's plastic protective case and place em in there. Two cards and a bill or two is a little tight for the case, but its nbd. For shorter rides where I'm not carrying food, I just put my regular wallet in my jersey pocket. But its pretty small anyway, I don't carry all my specialty cards on the daily. Its 2024 people!
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
If you perform decent maintenance on your bike before you head out, your 'minimalist' bag can be much much smaller
Yep, do that all the time along with a constant PM program. and Yes, I have enough to do just about anything on that bike and on others. I have used the tools in that roll more on other people's bikes.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
I think that Almsthre probably owes Eric F a nice commission.
Maybe sponsor him a BWR edition saddle bag for the 2025 event; as seen in post #66, he needs some color.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
If you perform decent maintenance on your bike before you head out, your 'minimalist' bag can be much much smaller
Might not even need a chain breaker.

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Originally Posted by bwilli88
It typically is the minimum that I take on a long ride.
That small black one in the background it more my minimalist.
What do you call a long ride? Are you touring with this amount of gear and what do you actually carry? Not being critical, just curious why you need such a large saddle bag unless you are touring.
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One nice thing about modern, high-end bikes is that a lot fewer tools are needed to work on ‘em. One can pretty much completely disassemble a modern, high-end bike with 4 Allen keys.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
One nice thing about modern, high-end bikes is that a lot fewer tools are needed to work on ‘em. One can pretty much completely disassemble a modern, high-end bike with 4 Allen keys.
Yup, though might want a Torx key in there somewhere. And/or if I can't fix or adjust something with my Tom-7 multi-tool, then I wouldn't want to be fixing it on the roadside anyway.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
Yup, though might want a Torx key in there somewhere.
And a Phillips #1 bit to adjust the derailleur.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
And a Phillips #1 bit to adjust the derailleur.
Well, by “modern, high-end,” I meant electronic shifting, so the need for “derailleur adjustment” via range screws while out on the road is effectively zero, (just as it is for a properly adjusted mechanical derailleur).
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
And a Phillips #1 bit to adjust the derailleur.
Originally Posted by chaadster
Well, by “modern, high-end,” I meant electronic shifting, so the need for “derailleur adjustment” via range screws while out on the road is effectively zero, (just as it is for a properly adjusted mechanical derailleur).
I thought the same regarding how a properly adjusted mechanical derailleur part would not need a mid-ride adjustment. However, once when my RD cable snapped mid-ride, leaving me stuck on the smallest cog and having to call my wife for a ride. After I mentioned that here on BF, another member suggested that I should have carried a multi-tool with a Philips screwdriver and use it on the high limit screw to move the chain onto a bigger cog to ride home. Although now that I think about it, I am not sure how many cogs this method can "shift" my RD.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
And a Phillips #1 bit to adjust the derailleur.
If only 1-2 screws are using a Phillips head I'd rather replace them than carry an additional tool. Also, the 'new' R7000 105 is using 2mm hex for Hi & Low adjustments, which is nice.
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir
I thought the same regarding how a properly adjusted mechanical derailleur part would not need a mid-ride adjustment. However, once when my RD cable snapped mid-ride, leaving me stuck on the smallest cog and having to call my wife for a ride. After I mentioned that here on BF, another member suggested that I should have carried a multi-tool with a Philips screwdriver and use it on the high limit screw to move the chain onto a bigger cog to ride home. Although now that I think about it, I am not sure how many cogs this method can "shift" my RD.
Wow, I’ve not had a RD cable break on a road bike in any of my nearly 4 decades of riding, nor have I seen it happen to anyone else, so that’s probably extremely rare. But yeah, the range limit screws aren’t long enough to move the derailleur but maybe one gear from the bottom…maybe. I’ve seen a hack on videos where pulling the cable out and re-threading the unbroken end through the RD cable stop, picking your desired gear, and tightening the cable in place with the RD pinch bolt is a solution that works over the entire cassette range and can be done with just a single hex key for the pinch bolt.

Anyway, preparing for any possible problem, or once-in-a-lifetime events, is antithetical to the minimalist approach.
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Originally Posted by chaadster

Anyway, preparing for any possible problem, or once-in-a-lifetime events, is antithetical to the minimalist approach.
I find that a Topeak Mini 20 Pro mult- tool is a good compromise. Pretty much every tool you could possibly need in a compact 150g package.

A true minimalist might prefer a Nano 7 and even that includes a T25 and screwdriver.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
I find that a Topeak Mini 20 Pro mult- tool is a good compromise. Pretty much every tool you could possibly need in a compact 150g package.

A true minimalist might prefer a Nano 7 and even that includes a T25 and screwdriver.
I won one of these at a bike race last weekend -- seems a pretty minimalist tool. Very thin, light, easy to squeeze into a crowded saddlebag. With the separate bits, it'd make a lousy tool for frequent use -- but for the very occasional on-the-road tweak, I think it'll be pretty good. I'm now carrying it along with a very small chain tool -- though I have yet to ever need a chain tool while riding. (knock on wood!)
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I have this: https://www.competitivecyclist.com/l...=LZS000L-JETBK

It works well and is really small
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
And a Phillips #1 bit to adjust the derailleur.
Newer Shimano mechanical derailleurs are 2mm hex.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Wow, I’ve not had a RD cable break on a road bike in any of my nearly 4 decades of riding, nor have I seen it happen to anyone else, so that’s probably extremely rare.
I have read that this is an issue caused by the tight curve along the cable route within Shimano STI levers, which cause the cable to fray over time.

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A true minimalist might prefer a Nano 7 and even that includes a T25 and screwdriver.
But no 6 mm hex! I carry a Lezyne SV Pro 5 mainly for the purpose of having the 6 mm hex for RAP thru-axles.
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But no 6 mm hex! I carry a Lezyne SV Pro 5 mainly for the purpose of having the 6 mm hex for RAP thru-axles.
Yeah, that’s what I carry, too…on my two, fast roadies anyway. It’s a slightly heavy at 53g, but it’s a really nice overall package; very aesthetically pleasing and tight/compact. In Lezyne’s very compact Road Caddy seat bag, I can put the SV Pro 5 along with a 34g RideNow TPU, a 25g gas cartridge, Silca Eolo pump head, 2 tire levers (Cyckit), a few self adhesive patches, alcohol wipe, zip tie, nitrile glove and still have a bit of room to spare.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Yeah, that’s what I carry, too…on my two, fast roadies anyway. It’s a slightly heavy at 53g, but it’s a really nice overall package; very aesthetically pleasing and tight/compact.
If I had to guess which bf'er would care about the aesthetic appeal of an item that spends 99.999% of its life packed inside a saddlebag, it would've been you.

PS: I googled it. Looks like most other small multi-tools.
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Anyway, preparing for any possible problem, or once-in-a-lifetime events, is antithetical to the minimalist approach.
Good point. Hmm. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I needed to use a multi-tool on the roadside. Maybe it's time to skip the multi-tool all together.

I have a mini-pump, so why do I need to carry CO₂ inflator and cartridges? I can leave them home, too.

What remains:
  • spare TPU tube
  • tire levers
  • self-adhesive patches
  • tire boot nylon fabric
  • tiny scissors to cut tire boot to size
  • super glue to hold tire boot in place
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Originally Posted by Koyote
If I had to guess which bf'er would care about the aesthetic appeal of an item that spends 99.999% of its life packed inside a saddlebag, it would've been you.

PS: I googled it. Looks like most other small multi-tools.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Good point. Hmm. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I needed to use a multi-tool on the roadside. Maybe it's time to skip the multi-tool all together.
Same for me, and I’ve thought the same, but haven’t drummed up the courage to do it. I guess cycling can make even the most rational amongst us superstitious!
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