Am I Just an Angry Loner?
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Freedom, solitude and achieving goals through self-discipline don't mesh well with group dynamics. I want to take a turn when I want, go the speed I want and hop onto a sidewalk if I think it's safer. Can you imagine Rocky in a group training run with Eye of the Tiger blasting? How about Batman achieving the fortitude in group sessions to escape The Pit or Luke Skywalker in daily Force Strengthening classes? Nope Nope and Nope.
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Freedom, solitude and achieving goals through self-discipline don't mesh well with group dynamics. I want to take a turn when I want, go the speed I want and hop onto a sidewalk if I think it's safer. Can you imagine Rocky in a group training run with Eye of the Tiger blasting? How about Batman achieving the fortitude in group sessions to escape The Pit or Luke Skywalker in daily Force Strengthening classes? Nope Nope and Nope.
I do not do group rides. Always ride solo; always have, always will. But it has never, ever -- not once -- occurred to me to start some sort of thread about that preference. Doing so strikes me as just ... odd.
That said, I might have found your perfect bike -- a 'Lone Wolf' special. Behold, the World's Greatest Madone (courtesy BSNYC).
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Back in the day when I got my first real Road Bike in Italy, bikers my age (22) would have nothing to do with me. In many ways I dont blame them. I did not even know about cross chaining... Ha.
But there was an old group of riders that I did get in with. They were old guys in their 50s and older. Some of them even used to race. They thought nothing of letting the lanky young American GI tag along. They showed me how to ride my road bike. But they especially showed me how to enjoy a ride. Its a skill I use today.
You will find your group...
But there was an old group of riders that I did get in with. They were old guys in their 50s and older. Some of them even used to race. They thought nothing of letting the lanky young American GI tag along. They showed me how to ride my road bike. But they especially showed me how to enjoy a ride. Its a skill I use today.
You will find your group...
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tl,dr.
I, too, am by preference a solitary cyclist. We should ride together, separately, some time.
I, too, am by preference a solitary cyclist. We should ride together, separately, some time.
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Life presents a lot of that naturally, I for certain do not want to add more to it. Just watching out when on a solo ride is mentally tiresome, watching out for other riders & when they slip up, no way Jose!
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I've ridden a ton of solo miles randonneuring, day and night. I prefer to ride my pace, stopping when I want for how long I want. I rode most of Paris Brest Paris solo four times. Same with all the grand brevets I've done.
Some randonneurs can't or won't ride alone; if they find themselves alone, they'll slow up for the next group.
OTOH, without question the most fun times I've had randonneuring have been in groups. The Fleche is a 5-bike team event where the group rides together for 24 hours. Always a blast. It's one thing to ride a paceline; it's another thing to pace with the same people for 24 hours.
The last segment of PBP 2023 I rode with the North Carolina Adrian Hands Society gang, alternating goofing and hammering, So many great memories.
Some randonneurs can't or won't ride alone; if they find themselves alone, they'll slow up for the next group.
OTOH, without question the most fun times I've had randonneuring have been in groups. The Fleche is a 5-bike team event where the group rides together for 24 hours. Always a blast. It's one thing to ride a paceline; it's another thing to pace with the same people for 24 hours.
The last segment of PBP 2023 I rode with the North Carolina Adrian Hands Society gang, alternating goofing and hammering, So many great memories.
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many people use groups and clubs as a social event.
go for a ride, stop have coffee, talk, finish ride (in any order)
really nothing surprising or incomprehensible No different say a curling team
you simple may not need this social interaction or get it other ways
I mostly ride solo because it is convenient as to timing and just doing my thing, but as I have more time will be doing more group riding.....especially a midweek 30 mile ride that ends with lunch at a place that just happens to have a 2 for 1 beer special on that day
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Freedom, solitude and achieving goals through self-discipline don't mesh well with group dynamics. I want to take a turn when I want, go the speed I want and hop onto a sidewalk if I think it's safer. Can you imagine Rocky in a group training run with Eye of the Tiger blasting? How about Batman achieving the fortitude in group sessions to escape The Pit or Luke Skywalker in daily Force Strengthening classes? Nope Nope and Nope.
as to achieving goals, many time groups help do that. Example, I went kayaking today and pushed my self hard (5 foot wave, 3 miles off shore) and would never have done that without a group of paddles supporting and making is safer.
or in cycling no one wins the tour de france as a solo person, it takes a group to support the person who wins
clearly ride how you want there is not a right or a wrong, but just because you think a thing is not understandable does not make it wrong
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I have started upping my cycling game in preparation for my first "serious" bike with early morning recreational rides in and around our lakeside paths, park trails and the city bike lanes. I have been somewhat surprised by the number of large groups of cyclists, from more serious-looking cycle groups right down to casual groups. Without having tried a group ride I can confidently say that this group riding is not for me. It appears stressful and chaotic, especially on narrow bike lanes; the antithesis of the serene, introspective and self-motivational ride I strive for to enhance mental and physical clarity. I see very few lone cyclists on these early morning jaunts
Am I just an angry loner?
Am I just an angry loner?
But the next week I joined again, kept up, met a few people, and had a good time. The pace was faster than I could have kept up by myself, I learned the basics of drafting, and had fun sprinting at various landmarks. In time I moved to faster and more competitive groups, and this led to participating in races.
If group rides weren’t fun, you wouldn’t see so many of them.
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68 mile club ride today. Not a ton of climbing but the pace was pretty high at times. Luckily the 2 fast guys were sympathetic and kept the group together. 10 riders started but one friend is on the comeback so he turned back early. One of the fast guys had to be somewhere so he took off several miles later.
Climbing is how riders get separated, dropped, or just worn out. Even fast groups will split apart when there is enough climbing. It's not a problem for slower climbers (like me) if the faster climbers are willing to wait.
This ride was what I look for in a group. Hard work, nice roads, friendly banter, jokes, snack stops with story telling and more. I enjoy solo rides every week but I really look forward to the group rides. Activities are more fun when you have friends to share them with. I've done road trips with club members to ride at different locations. Some have gone to Europe together. I did a cross country tour with 3 other club members and several short tours with other members.
Climbing is how riders get separated, dropped, or just worn out. Even fast groups will split apart when there is enough climbing. It's not a problem for slower climbers (like me) if the faster climbers are willing to wait.
This ride was what I look for in a group. Hard work, nice roads, friendly banter, jokes, snack stops with story telling and more. I enjoy solo rides every week but I really look forward to the group rides. Activities are more fun when you have friends to share them with. I've done road trips with club members to ride at different locations. Some have gone to Europe together. I did a cross country tour with 3 other club members and several short tours with other members.
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I mostly ride alone, starting and ending at my house. I'd be happy to ride with a group if I didn't have to drive to get to where the group started.
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Freedom, solitude and achieving goals through self-discipline don't mesh well with group dynamics. I want to take a turn when I want, go the speed I want and hop onto a sidewalk if I think it's safer. Can you imagine Rocky in a group training run with Eye of the Tiger blasting? How about Batman achieving the fortitude in group sessions to escape The Pit or Luke Skywalker in daily Force Strengthening classes? Nope Nope and Nope.
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Freedom, solitude and achieving goals through self-discipline don't mesh well with group dynamics. I want to take a turn when I want, go the speed I want and hop onto a sidewalk if I think it's safer. Can you imagine Rocky in a group training run with Eye of the Tiger blasting? How about Batman achieving the fortitude in group sessions to escape The Pit or Luke Skywalker in daily Force Strengthening classes? Nope Nope and Nope.
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Since MikeDeason has been back to this thread since I first asked this question, and has declined to answer it, I will state my rhetorical point more plainly: it's difficult to take you seriously when you claim to just know that you'll dislike something even though you've not tried it -- especially when it's something that is closely adjacent to an activity (cycling) that you claim to enjoy.
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I have done only a handful of group rides. It does take more awareness and communication to ride close to others, and coordination of schedules. It has benefits, of course. I remember liking a "hill ride" that the local fast guys would lead. It was a good challenge to stay with the first group (or even the second). Those hammer rides are a little sketchy at times, when there's an intersection where some want to run the light and others want to live.
I really enjoy XC racing, and I've become acquainted with some of the local regulars. Not the same as a group ride, for sure, but still social. My problem with general group rides is that during racing season I'm always riding to train, and group rides don't usually fit super well into my plan. I have a few planned workouts to get in each week, working around weather, how I feel, and other life commitments. I'm not interested in a chill trail ride where folks stop and catch their breath and wait for stragglers, and I'm not interested in a Wed night hammer ride when I need a different workout.
But many, many cyclists love the social riding thing. The bike is a really a means to a social experience. That's just not me, and I'm old enough to be cool with that.
I really enjoy XC racing, and I've become acquainted with some of the local regulars. Not the same as a group ride, for sure, but still social. My problem with general group rides is that during racing season I'm always riding to train, and group rides don't usually fit super well into my plan. I have a few planned workouts to get in each week, working around weather, how I feel, and other life commitments. I'm not interested in a chill trail ride where folks stop and catch their breath and wait for stragglers, and I'm not interested in a Wed night hammer ride when I need a different workout.
But many, many cyclists love the social riding thing. The bike is a really a means to a social experience. That's just not me, and I'm old enough to be cool with that.
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You should try a club
You might be surprised; I was.
i learned a lot. Met a lot of great people. Raised my pace in a group.
i ride probably 50/50; you don’t have to choose; do both!
i learned a lot. Met a lot of great people. Raised my pace in a group.
i ride probably 50/50; you don’t have to choose; do both!
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I have started upping my cycling game in preparation for my first "serious" bike with early morning recreational rides in and around our lakeside paths, park trails and the city bike lanes. I have been somewhat surprised by the number of large groups of cyclists, from more serious-looking cycle groups right down to casual groups. Without having tried a group ride I can confidently say that this group riding is not for me. It appears stressful and chaotic, especially on narrow bike lanes; the antithesis of the serene, introspective and self-motivational ride I strive for to enhance mental and physical clarity. I see very few lone cyclists on these early morning jaunts
Am I just an angry loner?
Am I just an angry loner?
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I do, occasionally hook up with another rider. That is usually for no more than a few miles. If the that rider wants to talk a lot, and/or, ride side by side where there is likely to be motorized traffic, I usually bail out fairly quickly.
There is nothing wrong with being a lone wolf, even if surliness is part of that persona, Embrace the inner self.
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On the other hand, there is a good, non-competitive group out there beyond the gridlock, where there are no pacelines, no pressure, people stop to let the group reform now and then ..... if it were a little more convenient (after I get some fitness back) I would ride with them more often.
I like solo rides, but I am not so narrow-minded as to only do one thing ... I Can like a lot of things. I don't even mind the occasional head-down paceline ride .... variety is okay in small doses.
I am no fan of long hours in gridlocked traffic, but I do not regret any of the group rides i have participated in. I always enjoy the people and the riding.
But then, I don't imagine myself to be an iconic movie hero ......
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I've seen cyclist riding solo that are a good example of what the OP is asserting about the group rides being witnessed.
Groups have their pro's and con's, just like riding solo has it's pro's and con's.
Just for the record, I ride solo most of the time. Not because I don't like groups, but because few want to ride in the middle of the day as I do.
Groups have their pro's and con's, just like riding solo has it's pro's and con's.
Just for the record, I ride solo most of the time. Not because I don't like groups, but because few want to ride in the middle of the day as I do.
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I generally prefer to ride solo, mainly because I have a sporadic schedule and I treat cycling more as a fitness routine. I could care less about the social, sporting and lifestyle aspects of cycling. I'll do occasional group rides only for route exploration and/or trying to improve my fitness levels riding with strong cyclists.