Eric F 

You’ve probably seen this…
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...ro-control-tlr

Interesting results.

biker128pedal

What are the 21.5 wheels? If Bontrager did you use the rim strip or tape? I got Paragym 25s with rim tape that unseal when deflated so tempted to get Bontrager strips.

I’ve also got some Aeoles 51s and Conti GP5000 TR s tires going on next. Plan to use the Bontrager strips and hope the beads stay out when deflated.

Mojo31

Pro 37s with Trek rim strip.

WhyFi

No, I hadn't! When I was shopping, the Control review wasn't out yet. Thanks!

Sheesh - kind of glad that I didn't find a good price on them. I'm not seeing a reason to go with these over the NEXT that I ended up with (which I'm really liking, btw - the more I ride them, the more apparent the difference in suppleness vs the P-Zero.

primov8

Exactly how I feel too. I thought about going with the Corsa Control tires once the handbuilt wheelset gets here. But I'll likely stick with another set N.EXT tires, Just last week, I got a set for my SS/FG to replace the PZero Road and the difference is really noticeable. I hate to admit it, but as a long time user of Schwalbe tires on just about every build I've done, these N.EXT tires are now my go-to favorites.

Eric F 

Happy to help.

I wasn't impressed with the ride of the P-Zero. I liked the GP5000TL quite a bit better. The Corsa Pros I'm on now seem small step better than the Contis, in that regard. I don't know how they compare to the NEXTs, though. Vittoria has a long history of making tires that feel nice, but sometimes at the cost of durability. Hopefully, the current ones are better.

WhyFi

I haven't ridden Conti since the GP4kII S and Attack/Force. They were fine, but I was never enamored with them and didn't think that they lived up to the extreme hype. That said, I do still want to try the GP5k S TR, when the price is right.

Troul 

the P Zer0 4s TLR Race have so far given me 'overall' confidence. The sealant in the tire didnt have to go to work when exposed to some debris that may have challenged my Pro1's durability. Would like to have tried 32 or 34 width, but no dice.

Eric F 

The GP5kTL is the only Conti I've used, so I can't compare to any of the previous models. Other than a couple of sidewall slash issues, I like them a lot. At the moment, however, the Vittorias hold the spot as my favorite, but it's still the honeymoon phase. A good price from Lordgun convinced me to give them a try. I probably would not have at full price.

Mojo31

I got the GP5k S TR on Amazon last week for $65 each. I didn't think that was too bad.

WhyFi

If they're your tire, it's not too bad, but I'm of the opinion that there are a lot of tires out there that are worth trying. That in mind, at any given point, you can usually find some manufacturer's flagship tire for 50 bucks or so, sometimes less.

Chandne

If anyone sees the T2/T5 Turbo 2Bliss 30s on sale, I would love to know. They are now $80 per tire.

biker128pedal

Can you seat them with a hand or floor pump? When deflated to check sealant does the bead stay put? I’ll carry tubes.

Mojo31

Have not tried to seat them with a hand pump, only the flash can. Just put them on Saturday so I have not deflated them to check sealant. I'm just keeping them inflated for now, and we'll see how it goes. They hold air well.

Mojo31

First time using them, but it was about the best deal I could find at the time. With only 25 miles on them, I like them. We'll see in 1,975 more.

phrantic09

Sometimes it’s different from tire to tire. WhyFi said Schwalbe TLE pro-one did not stay seated for him, but they did for me- same wheel I believe (Zipp 303S)

Troul 

The pro1 tle had a tough time with the hand pump in getting it started, & after "rolling" the tire some it started to inflate.
with a floor pump or compressor, it wasn't a problem.

WhyFi

Specialized is a tough one - they have minimum advertised prices and region restrictions. Any sale essentially needs to come down the line from Specialized, unless you happen to find a shop terminating their relationship with Spec and closing out their inventory. Your best bet for getting anything off might be to ingratiate yourself with your local dealer and see if they'll cut you 10% or something.

WhyFi

Yeah. I had the tires among the very first batch off of the line, though. I do wonder if they've made any minor in-production-run changes since. I keep wanting to revisit them, but new tires keep coming out. I'll get back to them again, eventually.

Chandne

I agree with what you say and have observed. I never actually thought I would like a Specialized tire so much but here we are. We used to have a 20% off deal for our Trail Club but when Covid came around, they scrapped that due to supply issues. We are trying to revive it.

oris

I recently went through a pair of these; they seated easily with a track pump on my Zipp 303s. I ran the tan walls for several months before the rear got a series of punctures. I liked them but they were less puncture resistant than the last gen SWorks Turbo's.

WhyFi

In fairness, every tire that I've tried with the 303S has seated easily with only a track pump. Coming from the earlier days of road tubeless, it almost feel like a cheat code. Then again, that should probably be expected with the more stringent compatibility specs.

force10

Super helpful. Glad I saw this, even though I'm pretty committed to the NEXT's for a while anyway.

WhyFi

After a long absence, Lordgun finally has 28mm Vittoria Corsa NEXT back in stock, currently at the low, low price of $36 and change - this is a good opportunity to grab a few (shipping is usually ~$20).

force10

Figures. I just bought some elsewhere for twice that...