What do you guys think about these steel frames?
12-26-07, 01:11 PM
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What do you guys think about these steel frames?
The frames and their ride and handling. Not their paint jobs. That I can change.
I'm looking for a more compliant ride than MY (yes I have them) Cannondale CAAD8 and CAAD9 bikes.Don't mistake that for a more relaxed riding position or slower handling response.
I know that steel, even the stiffer variety, will soak up the bumps more than aluminum.
That's what I'm looking for, just a slightly more compliant ride.
I have a steel Bridgestone RB-1 that I like. It's just a tad big and too heavy.
Waterford R-33
Ciocc COM 12.5
Cinelli Nuovo Supercorsa
Torelli Countach-EL-OS Tubing
Co-Motion Espresso
Landshark Dedaccial Less Than Zero
I don't care about carbon and I already have a CAAD9.
I'm wanting some nice steel.I know the Waterford is nice but $$$
I'm looking for a more compliant ride than MY (yes I have them) Cannondale CAAD8 and CAAD9 bikes.Don't mistake that for a more relaxed riding position or slower handling response.
I know that steel, even the stiffer variety, will soak up the bumps more than aluminum.
That's what I'm looking for, just a slightly more compliant ride.
I have a steel Bridgestone RB-1 that I like. It's just a tad big and too heavy.
Waterford R-33
Ciocc COM 12.5
Cinelli Nuovo Supercorsa
Torelli Countach-EL-OS Tubing
Co-Motion Espresso
Landshark Dedaccial Less Than Zero
I don't care about carbon and I already have a CAAD9.
I'm wanting some nice steel.I know the Waterford is nice but $$$
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12-26-07, 01:27 PM
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I found a nice Fuji Roubaix from 2003-2004. It's 853 and built up with Dura Ace and Mavic wheels weighs about 17 lbs and is one sweet ride. The best part is how cheap it was. The frame was <$100 and the wheels were $150. I already had almost all the Dura Ace stuff hanging around, so it cost me very little to get into it.
And it's a really nice ride. Good climber, decent sprinter, excellent comfort for all day rides. Perfect for what I needed/wanted.
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And it's a really nice ride. Good climber, decent sprinter, excellent comfort for all day rides. Perfect for what I needed/wanted.
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I know that Land Shark makes a quality bike, but I have to wonder if the folks that do their paint are color blind or just pulling our legs. Those are some of the ugliest paint jobs I have ever seen.
Go for the C0-Motion if you can afford it.
Go for the C0-Motion if you can afford it.
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12-26-07, 02:27 PM
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Land Shark by a mile, just don't let them paint it OR direct the paint job yourself. Their welds are perfect and the overall workmanship is just freakin' amazing...did I mention the paint...
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I have a Gunnar Sport and I'm happy with the way it feels on the road, especially rough roads. It's more comfortable than my CAAD5. $700 for the frame and it's stiff enough for me, too. I had a Prestige Landshark once and it was too whippy. It was plain grey and didn't even have sharks on it.
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I don't know anything about the Co-Motion but of the rest, the Waterford is my choice. Gunnar is made by the same people but is more of a budget version. Landsharks had that awful paint and I agree with Big John that the frame flexes too much especially if you are a strong rider or weigh a lot.
12-26-07, 03:04 PM
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Waterford or Landshark, FTW.
You may be able to find a steel Cinelli using Columbus tubing... I've seen a few newer frames around recently. New as in very much looking like they were 2007 builds. Ask around?
You may be able to find a steel Cinelli using Columbus tubing... I've seen a few newer frames around recently. New as in very much looking like they were 2007 builds. Ask around?
12-26-07, 03:07 PM
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Ignoring the Waterford, I'd choose the other three in this order: Co-motion, Landshark, then Gunnar. I also think I just ordered them in price. Bottom line though is that they are all really nice frames and I'm pretty sure you'd be happy with any of them. Might be worth just buying the cheapest of the four and getting a little bit of a wheel upgrade over what you were planning.
12-26-07, 03:16 PM
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You should be able to get them a lot cheaper than a R-33.Tim
12-26-07, 03:19 PM
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People may gripe about Landshark paint jobs, but they will paint their frames any way you like. If you want a nice simple paint job, they will do that. However, if you want something unique or wild, they will fill the bill. Considering the prices of most custom frames these days, Landsharks are a good value.
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I would get a Landshark with a fugly paint job just to annoy everyone.
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There are a couple of nice waterfords on Ebay right now.. and GVH used to have some steals on Landsharks...
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I just added the Cinelli Nuovo Supercorsa and the Torelli Countach with EL-OS tubbing to the list.
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12-27-07, 01:25 AM
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12-27-07, 01:43 AM
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Are you saying that simply because of the paint? That can be changed.
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12-27-07, 04:12 AM
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you don't say what the ride and handling qualities are that you're after- the multishaped UltraFoco Cinelli Nuovo SC and EL-OS Torelli Countach are quite different in character but both superb rides. here's some pics of my Cinelli.
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Check out Heron; made by Waterford but cheaper. Also quite a few custom frame makers in the Waterford price range.
Isn't BD coming out with some new steel frames?
Isn't BD coming out with some new steel frames?
12-27-07, 08:17 AM
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Hi,
you are asking about very different bikes there. What sort of bike do you want.
I have a Gunnar Sport. This is a sweet riding bike. For something with more zoom, there are bikes suitable for racing like the Gunnar Roadie. If you are serious about racing then you want an all out race bike. Doesn't sound like that's what you're looking for.
Many brands will have both sport and performance bikes.
What I suggest is that you call Waterford. Their bikes are custom and
will make yours to fit you and your riding style perfectly. The frame will prob run you $1200-1500, but that's stll cheaper than a couple you mentioned.
Gunnar is made by Waterford. I didn't plan on winding up with one. My LBS had
one and I gave it a test ride just for the heck of it. It made me smile.
you are asking about very different bikes there. What sort of bike do you want.
I have a Gunnar Sport. This is a sweet riding bike. For something with more zoom, there are bikes suitable for racing like the Gunnar Roadie. If you are serious about racing then you want an all out race bike. Doesn't sound like that's what you're looking for.
Many brands will have both sport and performance bikes.
What I suggest is that you call Waterford. Their bikes are custom and
will make yours to fit you and your riding style perfectly. The frame will prob run you $1200-1500, but that's stll cheaper than a couple you mentioned.
Gunnar is made by Waterford. I didn't plan on winding up with one. My LBS had
one and I gave it a test ride just for the heck of it. It made me smile.
12-27-07, 09:13 AM
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Well since I ride a LeMond Maillot Jaune (TIG welded Reynolds 853) I'd suggest adding a Sarthe to the list and as a general observation I like the ride of 853 quite a bit.
I've never heard a knock against Waterford except the price. Since I'm old enough to remember the "good old days" I react to "new" Cinellis differently than I do "old" Cinellis but they are very nice frames and I don't see one letting you down. I've long thought about LandShark but (like most others) would have to specify the paint myself.
Torelli makes a beautiful frame. Someone suggested Mondonico. I believe that they're just about the last of the family built artisan frames out there. Doesn't mean the bigger companies like Cinelli are inferior at all but Mondonicos are built by either the father or the son with no outsourcing. (At least I think it's still that way).
In this crowd the Gunnar looks pretty plain...
You can't go too wrong in any case.
I've never heard a knock against Waterford except the price. Since I'm old enough to remember the "good old days" I react to "new" Cinellis differently than I do "old" Cinellis but they are very nice frames and I don't see one letting you down. I've long thought about LandShark but (like most others) would have to specify the paint myself.
Torelli makes a beautiful frame. Someone suggested Mondonico. I believe that they're just about the last of the family built artisan frames out there. Doesn't mean the bigger companies like Cinelli are inferior at all but Mondonicos are built by either the father or the son with no outsourcing. (At least I think it's still that way).
In this crowd the Gunnar looks pretty plain...
You can't go too wrong in any case.
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