Sherwin & Liggett
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The guys on cycling.tv are far, far better. They've been in the pro peloton recently (Magnus Backstedt) and run amateur teams. I've learned more about cycling from listening to the commentary on cycling.tv than anything on Versus.
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Liggett has a smooth and easy to listen to voice and that is a definite plus. However, he is getting older and misses much of what's actually going on in the race. Kind of like listening to Vin Scully with baseball.
Like most Americans I didn't have the opportunity to hear him (Liggett) 20 years ago when, assumedly, he was in his prime.
Other guys are more informative and I concur with the Cycling.tv guys being good. I enjoyed listening to the Eurosport audio feeds but I miss at least half of what Kelly says, though I'm sure it's good.
Like most Americans I didn't have the opportunity to hear him (Liggett) 20 years ago when, assumedly, he was in his prime.
Other guys are more informative and I concur with the Cycling.tv guys being good. I enjoyed listening to the Eurosport audio feeds but I miss at least half of what Kelly says, though I'm sure it's good.
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Liggett has a smooth and easy to listen to voice and that is a definite plus. However, he is getting older and misses much of what's actually going on in the race. Kind of like listening to Vin Scully with baseball.
Like most Americans I didn't have the opportunity to hear him (Liggett) 20 years ago when, assumedly, he was in his prime.
Other guys are more informative and I concur with the Cycling.tv guys being good. I enjoyed listening to the Eurosport audio feeds but I miss at least half of what Kelly says, though I'm sure it's good.
Like most Americans I didn't have the opportunity to hear him (Liggett) 20 years ago when, assumedly, he was in his prime.
Other guys are more informative and I concur with the Cycling.tv guys being good. I enjoyed listening to the Eurosport audio feeds but I miss at least half of what Kelly says, though I'm sure it's good.
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Liggett has a smooth and easy to listen to voice and that is a definite plus. However, he is getting older and misses much of what's actually going on in the race. Kind of like listening to Vin Scully with baseball.
Like most Americans I didn't have the opportunity to hear him (Liggett) 20 years ago when, assumedly, he was in his prime.
Other guys are more informative and I concur with the Cycling.tv guys being good. I enjoyed listening to the Eurosport audio feeds but I miss at least half of what Kelly says, though I'm sure it's good. : )
Like most Americans I didn't have the opportunity to hear him (Liggett) 20 years ago when, assumedly, he was in his prime.
Other guys are more informative and I concur with the Cycling.tv guys being good. I enjoyed listening to the Eurosport audio feeds but I miss at least half of what Kelly says, though I'm sure it's good. : )
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For some reason I enjoy listening to him.
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Even though Liggett and Sherwin can get repetitive at times, they still make bike races more exciting and better to watch, especially compared to Bob Roll commentating. He keeps saying "most definitely"...
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That's harsh botto. Just an odd idiosyncrasy on my part but I don't find Liggett's voice objectionable.
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I learned to appreciate Liggett and Sherwin more after watching that Philadelphia International Cycling Championship on Comcast back a few weeks ago. The announcers were some guys who clearly had little experience with cycling and kept trying to use ridiculous baseball and football analogies that made no sense. They were insulting to anyone who is at all knowledgeable about the sport.
I also agree that Liggett and Sherwin can be inarticulate and incoherent at times but after hearing some of the alternatives they don't seem so bad.
I also agree that Liggett and Sherwin can be inarticulate and incoherent at times but after hearing some of the alternatives they don't seem so bad.
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So he's both talking on tv and the internet and easily switches back and forth. When Phil comes back to the main broadcast (which goes out to both tv and internet), Paul will say something like, "You know Phil, Armstrong is looking like a man possessed" to anchor Phil back to the conversation. It's amazing to hear. I have a whole new respect for ambivoicestrous Phil. Paul, after the Tour De Suisse, dropped a notch for me. He needs Phil to play off of, correct and give him a break.
Together though, they're unmatched...imo.
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I can figure out what's going on by watching. They often call out the wrong rider or make mistakes when they analyze crashes or other action.
That said, on their worst days Phil and Paul are better than most US based talking heads can be on their best days.
That said, on their worst days Phil and Paul are better than most US based talking heads can be on their best days.
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I am going to 'dig deep into my suitcase of courage' and say that I like listening to the guys. At least it means the races are on TV, it could be a lot worse. Remember that the Versus coverage is pointed at the US market so they are going to use the 'L' word a bit much as that is what many US casual fans want to know/hear.
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Stale, repetitive, but occasionally hilariously malgrammared.
I don't understand at all why everyone loves Bob Roll so much. It's not cute or clever when he persistently refers to the Tour DAY France.
I don't understand at all why everyone loves Bob Roll so much. It's not cute or clever when he persistently refers to the Tour DAY France.
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I think they do a decent job.
I'd say it's a tough sport to commentate on and keep fresh at times. There can be long spans of time when not much is changing situationally and the announcers must fill time with side stories, small talk, Lance this, Lance that, etc.
Even with golf or baseball (pretty slow moving), there is constant slow churn of new information which keeps the announcers from having to manufacture content.
I'd say it's a tough sport to commentate on and keep fresh at times. There can be long spans of time when not much is changing situationally and the announcers must fill time with side stories, small talk, Lance this, Lance that, etc.
Even with golf or baseball (pretty slow moving), there is constant slow churn of new information which keeps the announcers from having to manufacture content.
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My only complaint is that they don't control the video feed. In other televised sports they say "let's see that again" and use markers and such and get all excited.
On Versus, in a really bad wreck, you might see them run a second slow mo. I'm pretty sure the guy editing the video beforehand decides to throw it in. The commenters should be watching the whole race and helping with the video editing and making their comments accordingly. They should be choosing cameras, not saying "maybe we'll see so and so again."
Obviously it's harder to tape a bike race than a football match (either meaning, doesn't matter), but it can be done better than what we get on versus.
On Versus, in a really bad wreck, you might see them run a second slow mo. I'm pretty sure the guy editing the video beforehand decides to throw it in. The commenters should be watching the whole race and helping with the video editing and making their comments accordingly. They should be choosing cameras, not saying "maybe we'll see so and so again."
Obviously it's harder to tape a bike race than a football match (either meaning, doesn't matter), but it can be done better than what we get on versus.