New 2022 Checkpoint
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New 2022 Checkpoint
Hey everyone,
I just brought home a new 2022 checkpoint. I noticed the rear wheel seems closer to the driver side by about ~2 mm. This also makes it not centered with the seat tube. I then tried putting two different wheelsets in with the same results. I flipped the bike over and just eyed the frame and both wheels overall, and it DOES seem to be aligned as a whole bike. I had seen this in the store and they took it in the back to look it over and they said it was fine/normal... however I don't really trust Trek store employees since I was buying the bike. I'm a little OCD with my bikes, as I'm sure many wouldn't even notice this. I've actually found this "issue" with many Trek bikes over the years. I don't think I've ever had a perfectly centered rear wheel on the last 2 Domane's I've had. The other Checkpoint in the store had the same thing, but slightly less. What do you guys think?
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another wheel put on for testing
bike flipped upside down. Overall alignment seems ok.
I just brought home a new 2022 checkpoint. I noticed the rear wheel seems closer to the driver side by about ~2 mm. This also makes it not centered with the seat tube. I then tried putting two different wheelsets in with the same results. I flipped the bike over and just eyed the frame and both wheels overall, and it DOES seem to be aligned as a whole bike. I had seen this in the store and they took it in the back to look it over and they said it was fine/normal... however I don't really trust Trek store employees since I was buying the bike. I'm a little OCD with my bikes, as I'm sure many wouldn't even notice this. I've actually found this "issue" with many Trek bikes over the years. I don't think I've ever had a perfectly centered rear wheel on the last 2 Domane's I've had. The other Checkpoint in the store had the same thing, but slightly less. What do you guys think?
stock wheels/tires
another wheel put on for testing
bike flipped upside down. Overall alignment seems ok.
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If it was quick release you can align it slightly with the skewer and get it straight. A win for QR? You can try centering the wheel with one hand while tightening the thru axle, may have the similar affect, but I have never tried with TA.
I don't think it would affect the ride, especially on the rear, but it would bug me enough to dish it. Have the rear wheels been checked for proper dish?
You can measure the space with calipers, both on the seat stay and chain stay. Measure to the rim, not tire.
I don't think it would affect the ride, especially on the rear, but it would bug me enough to dish it. Have the rear wheels been checked for proper dish?
You can measure the space with calipers, both on the seat stay and chain stay. Measure to the rim, not tire.
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Thanks. I am pretty sure both wheels I tested are dished. I think the first order of business is determining if the frame is supposed to be like this and what Treks tolerances are. I’ve read a few posts where this is common, and I’ve personally seen several bikes with the similar spacing. It’s only 1-2mm off but my OCD flares up! Lol. Hopefully Mitch at Trek can help.
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Thanks. I am pretty sure both wheels I tested are dished. I think the first order of business is determining if the frame is supposed to be like this and what Treks tolerances are. I’ve read a few posts where this is common, and I’ve personally seen several bikes with the similar spacing. It’s only 1-2mm off but my OCD flares up! Lol. Hopefully Mitch at Trek can help.
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- Who is Mitch at Trek? Is he someone all of us should know of?
- Be gentle on that sestpost. Its all scraped already.
- Return it if it isnt aligned. Or dish the wheel so it is centered. Look like those are your two options.
- Be gentle on that sestpost. Its all scraped already.
- Return it if it isnt aligned. Or dish the wheel so it is centered. Look like those are your two options.
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If it is possible to put the wheel in the other way around, you can quickly verify that it is a frame issue vs. a wheel dish issue. (Your test with a different wheel clearly points to the frame as the culprit, but if this is possible, it would nail it.)
Cannondale purposefully does this, and you have to get wheels dished appropriately.
This would bother me, especially if you want to be able to run as fat a tire as possible, as this will be limiting.
Cannondale purposefully does this, and you have to get wheels dished appropriately.
This would bother me, especially if you want to be able to run as fat a tire as possible, as this will be limiting.
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If it is possible to put the wheel in the other way around, you can quickly verify that it is a frame issue vs. a wheel dish issue. (Your test with a different wheel clearly points to the frame as the culprit, but if this is possible, it would nail it.)
Cannondale purposefully does this, and you have to get wheels dished appropriately.
This would bother me, especially if you want to be able to run as fat a tire as possible, as this will be limiting.
Cannondale purposefully does this, and you have to get wheels dished appropriately.
This would bother me, especially if you want to be able to run as fat a tire as possible, as this will be limiting.
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Mitch is the trek rep on these forums. The problem with returning it for another one is the risk for getting the same thing on a replacement is very high. If I return it, I’m done with the checkpoint. If the wheels are in alignment overall on the bike, I think thats what matters most as well?
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You're doing laps, but not getting anywhere.
1) Have the frame alignment checked.
If it's ok,
2) Re-dish the wheel to correct the centering. 1-2mm is a 10 minute fix.
If the alignment isn't right, that's a whole other issue. Talk to the seller.
1) Have the frame alignment checked.
If it's ok,
2) Re-dish the wheel to correct the centering. 1-2mm is a 10 minute fix.
If the alignment isn't right, that's a whole other issue. Talk to the seller.
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Mitch is the trek rep on these forums. The problem with returning it for another one is the risk for getting the same thing on a replacement is very high. If I return it, I’m done with the checkpoint. If the wheels are in alignment overall on the bike, I think thats what matters most as well?
And if another Checkpoint is not aligned, then yeah its reasonable to be done with the Checkpoint as a bike. Thats pretty bad QC if you get 2 bikes that are so far out of alignment that it impacts what tire size you can run vs what you should be able to run.
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I am on here way too often and never knew a trek rep posts. If I were him I certainly wouldnt advertise I am a Trek rep...I would be flooded with questions and complaints. What is Mitch's username?
And if another Checkpoint is not aligned, then yeah its reasonable to be done with the Checkpoint as a bike. Thats pretty bad QC if you get 2 bikes that are so far out of alignment that it impacts what tire size you can run vs what you should be able to run.
And if another Checkpoint is not aligned, then yeah its reasonable to be done with the Checkpoint as a bike. Thats pretty bad QC if you get 2 bikes that are so far out of alignment that it impacts what tire size you can run vs what you should be able to run.
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It would drive me nuts! My favorite road bike has such close tolerances between frame and tire that 2mm would cause rubbing. I know I know, my tires are too big. They're only 28s. Bike was designed for 23s. I'm not a Trek fan to begin with, so I'd be taking it back and telling them I couldn't live with their QC standards. You do what works for you.
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Lots of conclusions being made here on little data. No technical effort in actually determining the root of the problem and now he's just going to buy another set of tires as he didn't need the new bike anyway.
Yikes.
Trek may indeed have an issue, but I'd guess a hard look at everything involved here would indicate otherwise. They've been making bikes for a few years now and they seem to be doing ok.
Yikes.
Trek may indeed have an issue, but I'd guess a hard look at everything involved here would indicate otherwise. They've been making bikes for a few years now and they seem to be doing ok.
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Lots of conclusions being made here on little data. No technical effort in actually determining the root of the problem and now he's just going to buy another set of tires as he didn't need the new bike anyway.
Yikes.
Trek may indeed have an issue, but I'd guess a hard look at everything involved here would indicate otherwise. They've been making bikes for a few years now and they seem to be doing ok.
Yikes.
Trek may indeed have an issue, but I'd guess a hard look at everything involved here would indicate otherwise. They've been making bikes for a few years now and they seem to be doing ok.
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It would drive me nuts! My favorite road bike has such close tolerances between frame and tire that 2mm would cause rubbing. I know I know, my tires are too big. They're only 28s. Bike was designed for 23s. I'm not a Trek fan to begin with, so I'd be taking it back and telling them I couldn't live with their QC standards. You do what works for you.
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Looking at your upside down photo, the rear wheel looks centered to the down tube and front wheel. They seat post is looks to be positioned closer to the NDS and on an angle, which makes the wheel appear off center.
Both of my Cervelos are like this as well, by design.
Both of my Cervelos are like this as well, by design.
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Looking at your upside down photo, the rear wheel looks centered to the down tube and front wheel. They seat post is looks to be positioned closer to the NDS and on an angle, which makes the wheel appear off center.
Both of my Cervelos are like this as well, by design.
Both of my Cervelos are like this as well, by design.
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Bumping this just for FYI. I looked at 4 checkpoints now and all of them seem to have some offset. Only on the alu frames. So if anyone sees this I’m thinking this is by design.
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You mentioned having a Domane so I thought I’d see if you had any thoughts.
I wont be keeping handlebar on the alr if I keep it. I also wonder if maybe I’d like to have the isospeed.
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Thanks for the update. Did you ride your ALR before returning it? I just picked one up and am deciding whether to keep it or maybe take it back for a Domane with a grx rear derailleur.
You mentioned having a Domane so I thought I’d see if you had any thoughts.
I wont be keeping handlebar on the alr if I keep it. I also wonder if maybe I’d like to have the isospeed.
You mentioned having a Domane so I thought I’d see if you had any thoughts.
I wont be keeping handlebar on the alr if I keep it. I also wonder if maybe I’d like to have the isospeed.
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I hear you. Did you get a '22 ALR? I'd take a look at the rear wheel alignment as well (as per this post I started). I've now counted 4 checkpoints that I've seen in 3 different stores that the seat stay on the driver side has a tad less clearance. In size 56, at least. It might be OK either way, and I have a question out to Trek now, wondering what they'll say. I'm thinking they will say its within tolerances and by design due to fitting that chainline in. Just a guess.
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